I might be wrong, but I think lots of folks are in KC this weekend for the KC group's picnic. If this is true, then maybe you could try reposting the issue when they get back. I read the log about this incident, and it certainly did sound scary. There's no way I would go look for a cache after reading a log like that, even in a group hunt. But then, I'm pretty chicken in general. If it were my cache, here's how I would think about it. If I read a log like this, left the cache active, and then later someone got into trouble, I would feel responsible. So I guess, my answer would be yes, archive it. When I was setting up my ST-STP caches, I had an unpleasant encounter with a local resident. Since I was already working with a park ranger (in StP, rangers are law enforcement just like the police), I mentioned it to him. He had me do the whole police report thing and said they would try to find the guy. I had just wanted to check with the ranger and find out if there had been any previous problems in the neighborhood. He assured me this was the first (I'm just lucky, I guess). But if there had been a hint of any potential for problems with the residents, I would have found another location. I don't know how helpful this little story is, because a suburban city environment is nothing like a rural graveyard. Getting law enforcement involved would be a bad idea in the case of the cemetery cache. I guess my point is that it is a cache owner's responsibility to avoid exposing cachers to any unnecessary or excessive danger. My 2 cents. Susan -----Original Message----- From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Know Future Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 9:12 PM To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [GeoStL] Archive this geocache? Last week Geo Jim described a tense encounter with an unfriendly landowner while hunting the Chapman's Ball (GCKBKH) geocache. I was surprised at the lack of comments in this forum. My question is this: given the possibility that future visitors could be subjected to verbal abuse and even physical violence, doesn't it seem prudent to consider archiving this cache? I'd like to hear your thoughts. Know Future August 7 by Geo Jim (949 found) "Pretty easy find and a nice peaceful place. Thanks for the cache! One of the local landowners came by and told me how he doesn't much care for hunters on his land, people drinking back there and "geo-catchers". I just nodded and said, "Yeah.." at the right times. And thought of "Deliverance" as I tried to hide my 'Geocaching 101' tee shirt.." Note: this doesn't begin to describe the incident -- KF JURA BAR QBBE PYBFRF NABGURE QBBE BCRAF