- You have misunderstood the guidelines and mis-read my answer to a post a few up. Waypoints on the same cache do not have to be over 0.1 mile apart. They have never had to be 0.1 mile apart and I have never requested that they be 0.1 mile apart. They DO have to be 0.1 mile away from all waypoints of OTHER caches. So your "overlord " thoughts on this one are misplaced. Problem solved, NEXT.... Virtuals are "NO Good": Once again, you have misunderstood something along the way. Groundspeak never said virtual caches are "NO GOOD". What they did decide was that there had to be a better way to categorize, list and display them. Groundspeak realized that geocaching.com site was failing to do the job properly. The restrictions were too high, the WOW!! factor could never be met, nothing was ever listed. So the "Overlords" fixed the problem. They set up a whole new site that deals ONLY with virtual locations, Locationless caches, webcams and the like. The site is maintained by regular caches rather than "Groundspeak Overlords" . Stuff is reviewed by your geocaching peers and it is doing quite well. Missouri is starting to get quite a collection of "Virtual Caches" in the collection. On the Waymarking.com site there are no distance limitations, they can be as close as they want to other geocaches and waymarks. It's a fun site if you like virtual caches. It is the "All virtual, all the time" show over there. Try it, you'll like it. www.waymarking.com PROBLEM SOLVED.... NEXT...... Your tour of of rolla micro techniques sounds grand. If you abandoned the idea before you start because of your misguided, preconceived ideas of the guidelines you will have missed an opportunity to place a nice cache but then again, that will give you something else to blame on the bigshots at gc.com. Give it a shot. NEXT.... Now that I have cleared up all your misconceptions you should see now that geocaching is has not been ruined by the idiotic rules of all the overlords and bigshots. The planets will soon start aligning, Pluto should be a planet again by noon , all should be right with the world and you should be one HAPPY kind of guy now that you can see that the geocaching is has not been ruined by the idiotic rules. You just misunderstood the rules all this time and you have been unhappy for nothing. If these same thoughts are shared by lots of common cachers, they have also been incorrect and have never asked me about them. They need to speak up rather than just take things for granted. No need to apologize. This is what the newsgroup is for. Clear up misconceptions and make people happy. :-) Now it is TIME FOR A LUNCH CELEBRATION!!! (I think we are going to Bandanna's in west county on Manchester at about noon) OK, one new happy guy, 500+ more to go. NEXT?? Glenn "we're here to please" Dan Henke wrote: > - > I just can't help myself here ...I know that I will be opening another can of > worms and maybe start a firestorm discussion but hey the list has been too > quiet lately anyway . > > I also do NOT understand what is the big deal of keeping WPs which have no > intrinsic value other than a GoTO point in a multi to over .10 mile.....if a > person wanted to place a multi with 5 WPs inside of a small park just to give > a tour of that park pr spme other special reason and then place the cache > somewhere else that DOES meet all cache guidelines or even within the same > park it SHOULD be allowed.....This is just one more example of the powers > that be at gc.com showing just how they can OVERLORD their decisions over all > the rest of us little peon cachers. > > You know I have a solution to this ...just have the higher ups declare > multi and puzzle caches to be no good like they did with virtuals and > locationless then there is no longer a problem. Let's go back to straight > traditional ONE stop caches and then there is no problem with getting too > close. > > I have been playing with an idea here in Rolla to introduce new and > experienced cachers to different types of Micros and the way they can be > hidden.....I was going to create a multicache with micros as the WPs and then > a final traditional cache at the end but with these rules I would be taking > up most of the park and not allowing anyone else access to this park for the > purpose of hiding a cache.....even though this park is one of the largest in > Rolla. That would suck so I am abandoning the idea ....it is just not worth > the effort and I can get 4 or 5 traditional one stop caches in there .....of > course they will not teach anything and they will not highlight anything > except the fact that your numbers (which people claim including the bigshots > at gc.com don't really count for anything anyway) go up 4 or 5 caches. > > I apologize to Glen for the ranting as I know he is not making these > decisions he is just carrying out the rules set down by others but I get so > tired of a wonderful hobby and sport being continuously ruined by these (my > opinion) idiotic rules and regulations. > > Sorry it has been a long day but this is just my humble opinion but I dare > say it is shared by a LOT of the common everyday cachers out there who just > want to enjoy a fun pasttime without having to put up with a lot of crap. > > Dan (who probably should have went to bed an hour ago) > > > > > **************************************** For List Info or To make _ANY_ changes, including unsubscribing from this list, click -----> //www.freelists.org/list/geocaching Missouri Caches Scheduled to be Archived http://tinyurl.com/87cqw