[GeoStL] Re: Abandoned Caches
- From: "Hobbit Taz" <HobbitTaz@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:03:04 -0600
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Understand your point and agree with it. Still can't help wondering about
trashed caches on public lands and how it will eventually become an issue to
place new caches.
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[mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Glenn
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 8:52 PM
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Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Abandoned Caches
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On Dec 28, 2009, at 6:30 PM, Hobbit Taz wrote:
> What concerns me more is when a cache is there but in dis-repair and is
> eventually archived by the reviewer; who goes out and retrieves the
"Trash"
> Maybe there should be an "Archived but needs picked up" type or status so
groups like SLAGA can have a CITO to retrieve.
big snips...
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And it is right here that I had my a$$ handed to me a few times.
I used to have folks go out and rescue the abandoned trash. After all, it
would be irresponsible to leave it.
Remember that Groundspeak is just one of many listing services. It does not
happen much around here but many caches are cross listed on a couple
different sites. If I just determine that a cache is no longer listable on
GC.com it may still be listed on terracaching.com, or navicache, or
opencaching ect. If I make a container disappear just because it does not
meet our needs any more, I may have just removed a game piece from someone
else's game. Now a navicacher goes out and finds nothing except a note
that I have their bag of trash in the trunk of my car. You can be sure
that I WILL (cause I have already) get a NASTY note asking me just who am
I to go out and pick up anyones caches, especially ones from another game I
have nothing to do with? After a couple of those notes it became clear
that I, as a cacher, have absolutely no rights at all messing around with
someone else's game piece even if I do think it is junk. Even junk is
someone else's private property
. Ultimately it is the cache owners responsibility to take care of their
stuff and pick up their trash. I know that there are many folks here that
are all about private property rights, no trespassing and all that. Well,
an archived cache is still someone else's private property and may still be
part of another game. I am quite sure that if we found out that some
rouge letterboxer was going out picking up geocaches because they were not
part of HIS game, we would be 27 kinds of hopping mad and rightly so.
My personal opinion may or may not be represented in any of the above
comments.
On a different topic, here is your public service announcement for this
evening. I believe that as geocachers we should practice cache in - trash
out. I pick up trash in the woods all the time. I suggest others pick up
trash too. It makes for a clean environment and all that sort of thing.
After all, it would be irresponsible to leave it.
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Topic 3: "Perhaps SLAGA could set something up to deal with distressed or
archived caches"
On the surface that sounds like a dandy idea. A local club SHOULD be able
to set minimum quality standards and control the quality of the local
caches. Sounds reasonable. Who better to control the quality of local
caches but the locals? I like it.
Long time ago I was consulting with local group on getting things set up
for their new club out East someplace. Everything was good and my work was
done. THEN someone decided that as a group there should be a quality cache
committee and a group that would help rescue caches that were in trouble.
Fix them up, repair missing waypoints and stuff like that. Well heck, THAT
sounds like a good idea. I suggested that as a group, they stay out of the
cache quality and repair business.
They set up a committee anyway that would keep an eye on the logs from the
area and if they started to see that a cache was getting a lot of no finds
and the owner was not responding they would make a list of distressed caches
and maybe go out and check on it. Fix a logbook, put a little duct tape on
a broken container easy stuff. That is the kind of thing that we all did on
every cache as we visited them (back in the days of old). Every cacher
carried extra supplies and kept things nice and tidy for the next finder.
What could possibly be wrong with that? I still like it. Their plan was
well intentioned and well thought out but went VERY badly for all involved.
Owners of caches too offense to their caches being listed on the "bad cache
list". They took offense that some self appointed cache Nazis were "going
around determining the quality of local caches". After all, how dare them
to judge MY caches. It got very nasty and really fractured the club and
turned fr
iends into enemies.
As a group I would again suggest that we not (officially) get into the cache
pickup and repair business.
glenn
Glenn
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