[GeoStL] Re: Abandoned Caches
- From: "Hobbit Taz" <HobbitTaz@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:30:29 -0600
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If I find one that I would like to go after but the logs make it appear that
it is gone or in bad condition and no one has placed a needs maintenance on
it then I might send the owner an email asking them about it, if no response
or the owner hasn't been online for awhile I might log a needs maintenance
with a note that I haven't been to search myself yet but apparently is in
need and owner is not readily available. This way the cache pops up on the
review's view and he can properly notify the owner and then archive if no
action. I wouldn't place a needs archived on one I haven't searched for
and I am pretty sure that its gone or badily muggled etc.
More appropriately I would think that if the logs make it apparent the cache
is gone or in real bad condition the logger should have placed a needs
maintenance on it then. Might send an email to the last logger or two and
ask them to return and place a needs maintenance or needs archived if they
felt it deserves it.
What concerns me more is when a cache is there but in dis-repair and is
eventually archived by the reviewer; who goes out and retrieves the "Trash"
Maybe there should be an "Archived but needs picked up" type or status so
groups like SLAGA can have a CITO to retrieve.
-----Original Message-----
From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Bensman
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 5:11 PM
To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Abandoned Caches
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I've never posted a needs archived for one I have not visited. But, I am
not sure one should have to go there to post a needs archived when it
obviously needs archived and the owner has abandoned the cache. More and
more of these problem caches are turning up. It seems we have an obligation
to be self policing of these kinds of problems. What other solution is
there? Should we just ignore the problem and hope it eventually goes away?
It seems like there needs to be some standard way to deal with these
situations. Maybe SLAGA could institute some kind of program to address
problem caches in the SLAGA area. There could be attempts to get caches
adopted, shut down, cleaned up, or whatever needs to be done to address the
situation.
The rules state,
"As the cache owner, you are also responsible for physically checking your
cache periodically, and especially when someone reports a problem with the
cache (missing, damaged, wet, etc.). You may temporarily disable your cache
to let others know not to hunt for it until you have a chance to fix the
problem. This feature is to allow you a reasonable time - normally a few
weeks - in which to arrange a visit to your cache. In the event that a cache
is not being properly maintained, or has been temporarily disabled for an
extended period of time, we may archive the listing."
So if you see a cache that has multiple reports of problems and the cache
owner has not logged onto gc.com in many months, is not it pretty obvious
the cache should be archived? So why not post a needs archived log without
visiting the site? You do not need to visit the site to tell the cache
owner is not fulfilling their responsibility. But I am hesitant to do
this.
It also seems it is just not an issue of posting the needs archived log.
Laurie indicated that did not result in the caches getting shut down. The
one I pointed out had a needs maintenance posted on Nov 11. Maybe they
should have a option on the cache page to report to the reviewer.
Jim Bensman
"Nature Bats Last"
> -----Original Message-----
> From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:geocaching-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Bromley
> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 2:12 PM
> To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [GeoStL] Re: Abandoned Caches
>
> -
> Jim,
> Glenn has told me that unless the cache is marked as 'Needs
> Maintenance' or
> 'Needs Archived', he probably won't see it since he has his radar set
> on
> those attributes. I'd guess the Illinois Reviewer has the same type of
> filtering in place. If you have 1000's of caches to be responsible
> for, you
> need some way of being alerted that you have an issue. The cache you
> are
> mentioning isn't marked with any attribute that'd would bring it to the
> attention of the reviewer. If you are concerned, then put a 'Needs
> Maintenance' attribute on it so it raises a flag for the reviewer. I
> agree
> with Laurie and unless I've been out to see the cache myself, I
> wouldn't put
> the 'Needs Archived' attribute on it.
>
> Steve
>
> It's not only the destination but the path you take and the friends you
> make
> along the way
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Laurie Elfrank
> <lwatermann@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
> > -
> > Personally, I would never post a "Needs Archived" without visiting
> the
> > cache site myself. We took a road trip to the Davenport area last
> month, and
> > ran into multiple DNFs on about a third of the caches that we looked
> for.
> > They were mostly along a nice riverfront trail in Muscatine, so we
> didn't
> > mind the walk. We did post "Needs Archived" logs on every cache that
> we
> > didn't find that had multiple DNFs going back for several months. In
> most
> > cases, the areas had been under construction or in a flood area, and
> we were
> > pretty sure they had gone missing. In any event, we did the legwork
> to try
> > to see for ourselves if the caches might be missing. The last time I
> looked,
> > none of the caches had been archived.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Laurie (Denmother)
> >
> > > From: junkmailno@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [GeoStL] Abandoned Caches
> > > Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:54:19 -0600
> > >
> > > -
> > > What is the best or proper way to deal with abandoned caches that
> have
> > > problems or appear to be gone? Many times when you are looking at
> caches
> > in
> > > an area you will find a cache that appears to be gone and has been
> > abandoned
> > > by the owner. Here is a good example: GC1Q03C The last 3 logs were
> DNFs
> > > and the 4th one (Nov 11) was a needs maintenance. They all indicate
> the
> > > cache appears to have washed away. The cache owner has not been on
> the
> > site
> > > since June and only found 19 caches. Clearly this one needs to be
> > archived.
> > > This one is in IL and the reviewers are not on problem caches as
> much as
> > the
> > > MO reviewers. Should one post a should be archived log without
> actually
> > > going there to check? Or do something else? There are getting to be
> more
> > > and more caches like this.
> > >
> > >
> > > Jim Bensman
> > > "Nature Bats Last"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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