[GeoStL] Re: [ARCHIVE] Re: Followup: Re: Bad Karma GCCB93 & Blue Monkey GCCB92
- From: "J.A. Terranson" <measl@xxxxxxx>
- To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 21:56:00 -0500 (CDT)
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On Sun, 8 May 2005, Square Pants wrote:
> I have attempted caches that have given me grief and left me with a
> bitter taste after completing or failing to complete them. I also
> wondered about the appropriateness of these two caches.
Did you express these reservations to Glenn? I know [now] that many
others did.
> I simply pushed the rock aside to extract the cache and I did no harm
> whatsoever to the surrounding environment.
That was a little more difficult this time, as these [very small] rocks,
which needed only to cover a 2" hole for a "2x8 inch pipe" were well under
leaf cover, and almost completely flush with the ground.
Granted, one of these two rocks was partially visible, however, since the
rules specifically prohibit anything buried, looking at it was obviously
pointless, as it would be impossible to hide a 2x8 object under a 3 inch
rock.
> I read your harrowing story and I do
> understand your concerns,
The "harrowing story" was not a problem. In fact, it's pretty much the
norm for us - we *often* will go the back way and make a several mile
hike, usually close to vertically, out of a 400ft cache. Although we
usually do it on purpose!
> but taking it upon yourself to personally
> police the legalities is a bit much.
Lets see, are you now jumping my case for removing the cache or for ASKING
that the cache be removed? I've had greif on both counts here today.
Either way, the decision was not made willy nilly - and if you READ THE
LOG, you'llknow that. Get the facts before speewing. Then, let me add
the facts you probably don't know: several people have complained to Glenn
that these caches were illegal - he even admitted to that knowledge
earlier today. Next, I originally took only Blue Monkey, as it was
completely destroyed (pix processing as we speak), and the cache owner was
MIA after being notified MONTHS ago. Would you leave this ex-cache, now
GARBAGE sitting out there? I'd hope not. It wasn't until we were on the
way out and realized that these caches BOTH are in multiple violation of
local use that we went ahead and pulled them both. Dollars to doughnuts
the park did not OK thses caches as they were done, and possibly not at
all. If they did, then the caches should have had copies of the use
permits in them - one was destroyed, so we'll never really know what all
was in it, the other most certainly did not.
> I don't care for the fact that you
> admittedly trespassed on private land to attempt this cache..
Then read again, until we ended up in this guys yard we believed we were
still on public land.
> that make us ALL look bad. But, you don't hear me calling for
> discipline for any of your legal / illegal actions.
If you feel strongly about it, then call away. Call the police i it'll
make you happy. Or the FBI, or the Space Alien Watch Commission, whatever
works for you.
> Perhaps we should all just calm down and try to understand our mistakes,
Agreed.
> stop pointing fingers, and come together as a community. Some of these
> emails appear to be hastily written in anger from BOTH sides. Let us
> strive to educate the proper process, and admit that perhaps we acted
> too quickly in what we believed to be the correct manner.
I'll accept that IF we can also agree that we did not act quickly
enough/at all, when it was first needed, which ended in this less than
optimal result.
> Who was complaining how quiet the message list was a week or so ago?
I don't remember, but they've got plenty of traffic to keep them busy now!
<chuckles>
> I_Wear_Square_Pants
Must hurt like hell!
> Stace King
//Alif
P.S. To the guy who posed the personal threat, and to anyone else
contemplating it - to quote our idiot president, "Bring it on." But you'd
better well get it right the very first time. I promise.
--
Yours,
J.A. Terranson
sysadmin@xxxxxxx
0xBD4A95BF
"What this country needs is a good old fashioned nuclear enema."
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