[GeoStL] Re: A proper salute
- From: Eric & Dayna East <lichanura@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 21:25:31 -0600
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we do change our salute depending on the commander in chief & I for one am very
glad I served under Ronnie & George Sr. There's no way I could've respected or
given a real salute to a man who was too chicken to serve his country.
Barbara Hunt wrote:
> -
> Both.
>
> I'm actually very surprised that military types are not only approving of
> this message, but jumping on me for disapproving. It implies...actually, it
> says outright...that servicemen change their salute depending on how they
> feel about the individual Commander in Chief.
>
> >From: "Lyn Cook" <lynslyne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Reply-To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Subject: [GeoStL] Re: A proper salute
> >Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 14:46:09 -0600
> >
> >-
> >was it "subject" inappropriatness or "doing" inappropriatness?
> >
> >
> >--- Original Message -----
> >From: "Barramus" <barramus@xxxxxxx>
> >To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 2:41 PM
> >Subject: [GeoStL] Re: A proper salute
> >
> >
> > > -
> > > That sure is how I remember it.
> > >
> > > Barramus
> > > N 38° 25.081'
> > > W 90° 42.823'
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Barbara Hunt" <barbarastl@xxxxxxx>
> > > To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 2:04 PM
> > > Subject: [GeoStL] Re: A proper salute
> > >
> > >
> > > > -
> > > > <confused>
> > > >
> > > > Didn't we just get over a flap with a kid named Chris...everyone was
> > > yelling
> > > > at him for innappropriatness....right?
> > > >
> > > > Never mind.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Lyn Cook" <lynslyne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > >Reply-To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > >Subject: [GeoStL] Re: A proper salute
> > > > >Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:53:59 -0600
> > > > >
> > > > >-
> > > > >What's the big deal about whether its appropriate or not!
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Barbara Hunt" <barbarastl@xxxxxxx>
> > > > >To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > >Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 10:16 AM
> > > > >Subject: [GeoStL] Re: A proper salute
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -
> > > > > > ...or it could just be that they were told to salute that way.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In any case, unless the President is Geocaching, I don't find this
> > > > > > appropriate to post on this list.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: "Dan Eubanks" <deubanks@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > >To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > >Subject: [GeoStL] A proper salute
> > > > > > >Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:05:18 -0600
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >-
> > > > > > >Whether you do or do not like George W. Bush as our President,
> >this
> > > > > > >message reveals some interesting plateau's he has reached.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >First, an observation. Have you noticed a difference in the
> >salute
> > > > >given
> > > > > > >by our military men and women as President Bush walks by? Most
> >folks
> > > > > > >would not notice anything, but those of us who have served in the
> > > > > > >military see it right away.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Next time pay close attention when President Bush leaves his
> > > helicopter
> > > > > > >or Air Force One, the honor guards salute and face him as he
> > > > >disembarks,
> > > > > > >then turn their faces towards him as he passes by. They continue
> >to
> > > > > > >salute his back as he walks away. This kind of salute has not
> >been
> > > seen
> > > > > > >in the previous eight years, though it is customary courtesy to
> >the
> > > > > > >Commander-in-Chief. You see, soldiers aren't required to turn and
> > > face
> > > > > > >the President as they salute. They are not required to salute his
> > > back.
> > > > > > >They are only required to salute. They can remain face-forward
> >the
> > > > > > >entire time. And that is what they did during the previous
> > > > > > >administration. Our soldiers were forced to obey his orders, but
> >they
> > > > > > >were not forced to respect him. From their salutes, we can
> >surmise
> > > that
> > > > > > >they did not.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Why is such respect afforded to President Bush? He doesn't even
> >know
> > > > >how
> > > > > > >to bite his lower lip and not get teary-eyed whenever he speaks!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >The following incident from Major General Van Antwerp may give us
> >an
> > > > > > >insight. Gen. Antwerp is president of the Officers' Christian
> > > > > > >Fellowship. He lost nearly all his staff when the Pentagon was
> > > attacked
> > > > > > >September 11. His executive officer LTC Brian Birdwell was badly
> > > burned
> > > > > > >and in the hospital when President Bush visited him. Our
> >President
> > > > >spent
> > > > > > >time and prayed with Brian. As he was getting ready to leave, he
> >went
> > > > >to
> > > > > > >the foot of Brian's bed and saluted. He held his salute until
> >Brian
> > > was
> > > > > > >able to raise his burned and bandaged arm, ever so slowly, in
> >return.
> > > > > > >The Commander-in-Chief almost never initiates a salute, except in
> >the
> > > > > > >case of a Congressional Medal of Honor winner. The injured
> >soldier
> > > did
> > > > > > >not have to return the salute. But he did, out of respect to his
> > > > > > >President ... a Soldiers' President.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Congressman JC Watts (R. Oklahoma) said, "Character is doing the
> > > right
> > > > > > >thing when nobody is looking," (My favorite quote of all time).
> >The
> > > > > > >nation and world learned some of what our last President did when
> > > > >nobody
> > > > > > >was looking; that President has been disbarred, the worst
> >disgrace
> > > > > > >(other than imprisonment) to a lawyer. CNN will have a difficult
> >time
> > > > > > >shining his or his wife's tarnished images.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >In this time of war and danger, I am so grateful to have a
> >President
> > > > > > >whom the soldiers salute -- fully. On Special Report with Brit
> >Hume,
> > > at
> > > > > > >the close of the show when they normally have some funny video
> >clip,
> > > > > > >they showed President Bush and the First Lady on their way to
> >Maine
> > > to
> > > > > > >leave for Camp David for the weekend.
> > > > > > >As the video starts, the First Lady is leading the way into the
> > > > > > >helicopter with the spaniel dog on the leash, and the president
> >is
> > > > >right
> > > > > > >behind her with the Scotty on the leash. As the First Lady
> >entered
> > > the
> > > > > > >chopper, the Marine at the gangway saluted and held his salute.
> >The
> > > > > > >Scottie the president was walking decided it wanted to sit right
> >when
> > > > >he
> > > > > > >got to the steps. The president pulled on its leash, but the
> >stubborn
> > > > > > >Scottie persisted in sitting. The president bent down and scooped
> >up
> > > > >the
> > > > > > >pooch and entered Marine One. After he entered, the Marine cut
> >his
> > > > > > >salute and returned to the position of attention. Moments later
> >the
> > > > > > >President reemerged from the helicopter and out onto the steps.
> >The
> > > > > > >Marine was standing at attention, head and eyes straight ahead.
> >The
> > > > > > >President leaned over and tapped him on the left arm. The
> >startled
> > > > > > >Marine turned his body toward the President and received his
> >returned
> > > > > > >salute!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I was so impressed by this true act of respect for our military
> > > people
> > > > > > >by our President! He really does get it. Most any other person of
> >his
> > > > > > >stature would have just continued his journey, disregarding the
> > > > > > >neglected return salute. Not George W. Bush. He is earning the
> > > respect
> > > > > > >of the military community, not expecting it -- as most have and
> > > would.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >President George W. Bush; the man who admitted to having a
> >drinking
> > > > > > >problem in younger years, and whose happy-go-lucky lifestyle led
> >him
> > > to
> > > > > > >mediocre grades in college and an ill-fated oil venture. Who
> >mangled
> > > > > > >syntax, and whose speaking miss-steps became known as "Bushisms."
> >He
> > > > > > >came within a hair's breadth of losing the election in November.
> >Bush
> > > > > > >named Jesus Christ as Lord of his life on public TV. Not an
> >Oblique
> > > > > > >reference to being "born-again" or having a "life change." He
> > > actually
> > > > > > >said the un-PC-like phrase, "Jesus Christ!"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >On September 11, he was thrust into a position only known by the
> > > likes
> > > > > > >of Roosevelt, Churchill, Lincoln, and Washington. The weight of
> >the
> > > > > > >world was on his shoulders, and the responsibility of a
> >generation
> > > was
> > > > > > >on his soul. So President George W. Bush walked to his seat at
> >the
> > > > >front
> > > > > > >of the National Cathedral just three days after two of the most
> > > > > > >impressive symbols of American capitalism and prosperity
> >virtually
> > > > > > >evaporated.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >When the history of this time is written, it will be acknowledged
> >by
> > > > > > >friend and foe alike that President George W. Bush came of age in
> > > that
> > > > > > >cathedral and lifted a nation off its knees. In what was one of
> >the
> > > > >most
> > > > > > >impressive exhibitions of self-control in presidential history,
> > > > > > >President George W. Bush was able to deliver his remarks without
> > > losing
> > > > > > >his resolve, focus, or confidence. God's hand, which guided him
> > > through
> > > > > > >that sliver-thin election, now rested fully on him. As he walked
> >back
> > > > >to
> > > > > > >his seat, the camera angle was appropriate. He was virtually
> >alone
> >in
> > > > > > >the scene, alone in that massive place with God, just him and the
> > > Lord.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Back at his seat, George H. Bush reached over and took his son's
> > > hand.
> > > > > > >In that gesture his father seemed to say, "I wish I could do this
> >for
> > > > > > >you, son, but I can't. You have to do this on your own."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >President George W. Bush squeezed back and gave him a look of
> >peace
> > > > >that
> > > > > > >said, "I don't have to do it alone, Dad. I've got Help."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >What a blessing to have a professing Christian as President.
> >Please
> > > > >take
> > > > > > >a moment after you read this to "pray for him." He truly does
> >have
> > > the
> > > > > > >weight of the world on his shoulders. Pray that God will sustain
> >him
> > > > >and
> > > > > > >give him wisdom and discernment in his decisions.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Pray for his protection and that of his family.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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