[gameprogrammer] Re: Design tips for directory server backend for games
- From: Kevin Jenkins <gameprogrammer@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: gameprogrammer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 13:16:13 -0800
Hey, thanks for the replies on this so far. My end goal is to port all of
the RakNet server-based services (nat traversal, nat type detection,
forwarding UDP packets, directory server of running games, patch server) to
google app engine. Then I get very high quality servers and a robust
database with very high uptime. That is a weakness I have in the market
right now because my competitor Gamespy can offer this, where I have to
currently tell my users to pay for and administrate their own servers
(though I do give them the code which is a plus). Users never like to hear
that they need to run their own servers, they want an all in one solution.
It looks like so far a good solution then is PHP to administrate the
database. But all the code that does anything is on java. I need to change
some code to make the C++ side run in TCP in all cases for the client code,
but otherwise this is doable.
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Jacob Briggs <nexussix@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> from http://code.google.com/appengine/docs/java/runtime.html
>
> -------- 8< --------
> An App Engine application cannot:
> ...
> ...
> ...
> spawn a sub-process or thread. A web request to an application must be
> handled in a single process within a few seconds. Processes that take a very
> long time to respond are terminated to avoid overloading the web server.
> -------- 8< --------
>
> This would be my only concern, as it limits the sort of things you can do.
>
> Jake
>
>
> On 12/11/10 04:50, Kevin Jenkins wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to write a server directory backend for games that is pretty
>> ambitious. I want to host it using http://code.google.com/appengine/(Google
>> app engine) so I don't have to pay monthly fees and can potentially
>> scale it. I also want a web-based front end for the service so I can support
>> multiple games, and can assign moderators to manage particular games. It
>> would also have an SQL database storing the list of running games.
>>
>> I've never done web programming before, and wanted to ask for advice
>> before diving in so I don't end up doing a lot of useless work.
>>
>> For the web interface, it's clear that I need a programming language of
>> some sort. For example, I need to be able to login to the web interface as
>> admin in order to manage the list of moderators and therefore show a
>> different webpage based on who you are. What recommendations do you have? Is
>> Java a server-side programming language I could use for this? Or Python? I
>> know PHP can do it. Performance isn't too important for the web-interface,
>> but if I can use a language close to C or C++ it would make it easier for me
>> to write and learn. Are there other options?
>>
>> From the C++ side I already know how to connect to either a service
>> running TCP, or a http based web service (such as PHP). So I can send
>> queries to the server, and they need to be processed fast. Should I even use
>> google app engine for this, or can I process everything in PHP fast enough?
>> For example, if I am processing thousands of requests a second, can a PHP
>> based web host handle this? If I use java or python, would this be faster
>> than PHP? And can I scale multiple instances of the application with google
>> app engine all using the same database?
>>
>> Hopefully someone here is knowledgeable about all this. Thanks in advance.
>>
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