I have started to do small patterns too. It's a lot easier and a lot more flexible. I can mess around with arrangements and parts, etc... The problem I encountered with that is that again if I want to add something in the begining or right in the middle, I don't know what is the easy way. To asnswer Andy's question, the version I'm using is 3.5 (or 3.6). Is it complicated to add intros or bridges on this version? Maybe I need to upgrade..... I will try the Alt+up thing tonight and check if it does what I want to move patterns around. Now I am aware of the clone pattern option but how would that help? Cedric __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com