Lads, We are in the printer business! see email : I got permission from Mike for new compatible SS-92274 @ 23.95, you can have the tested working (reconditioned) 4L's @ 10. that is for the TONER cartridge's for the HP 4L printer we have about 10 HP 5L and 6L printers that I have been dragging my feet on reconditioning short story- Henry (MCE) have these older printers that are to slow and memory limited for serious workplace use so they are available for us we can select them using 2 conditions condition 1 - apply power, NO LIGHTS or any other indication of life = THROW AWAY apply power, lights come on BUT BLINK (paper out, no toner, etc) put a toner cartridge in and paper, IF LIGHTS STILL BLINK = THROW AWAY condition 2 - apply power, lights come on, put in toner and paper and the printer starts acting normal = KEEP and recondition of the 10 I have ALL were condition 2 (so these things are pretty robust) RECONDITIONING once again a 2 tier process 1 - replace separator pad the only real Achilles heel of the 5L / 6L printer design is the RUBBER used in the page separator pad. These printers were made in the 90's (I think) and the rubber on the pad has MAYBE a 10 year lifetime, then it dries up and PAGES JAM and it picks up more than 1 page at a time (not doing its 'separator function). SO the true HP way is to replace the pad in a recondition BUT they raised the price to $16 per pad (ouch!) and I have been trying to get a large (> 25) order together for maybe $5 per pad from ANYONE, but they are being hard to find on to plan 2 2 - we use RE-GRIP rubber restorer on both the pad and the pickup roller (pad is stationary, the roller is on the shaft and pulls the paper when it rotates) we NEVER use alcohol on the rubber (dries it out faster) the only prob is that WE CAN'T GUARANTEE ANYTHING (not really a problem, maybe just a nuisance) SO...what we can do. (easily) 1 take apart down to rubber components (10-15 mins) 2 put regrip on the rubber parts (might have to let it dry before reassembly, 10-30 mins) 3 clean inside / outside of case, while its off (formula 409, or equivalent, 5-10 mins) 4 reassemble , keeping skin oils off the rubber parts (latex gloves?) ( PATIENCE! 10-15 mins ) 5 test with a cartridge and paper, run maybe 10 sheets through to test the separator pad (5 mins max) DONE! so that's the printer scoop, I have: 1 done 5L and cartridge, Qtips and regrip, some paper and about 10 used, dirty, ignored, forgotten, give-me-a-home 5L and 6L printers. If we are meeting tomorrow, I was going to bring then down and we could add ANOTHER task to the current workload, OR I can wait till we are more ahead with FB's let me know Ed Sisler PS more short story- the 'L' line from HP is 4L, 5L, and 6L the 4L is a 'pick up' printer, in that the paper is BELOW and its pick's UP the paper and prints, then it exits on TOP the 5L and 6L are different, the paper is ABOVE, and it has to 'separate the pages as it prints each page then the paper exits on the BOTTOM, and you have 2 ways to collate, once it exits the printer. the difference is important...the 4L DOESN'T have the separator pad problem the 5L and 6L does.. so we might want to look into them as a printer to support also. SOFTWARE DRIVERS: I haven't tried it yet, but ALL these printers understand HP PCL, so if we just load an HP PCL Linux printer driver, we should be able to plug in a 4L 5L or 6L and a bunch of other HP printers with out changing the driver. bye