[frgeek-michiana] Re: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS installs
- From: Richard Zimmerman <ke4rit@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 19:29:09 -0500
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<http://www.att.com/gen/general?pid=11523>Richard
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Tom Brown <tbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> FreeBox recipients may be interested in the AT&T low cost alternative.
> Can someone post a link to the marketing page?
>
>
>
> Tom --
>
>
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> *From:* frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Tony Germano
> *Sent:* Friday, December 03, 2010 17:22
> *To:* frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [frgeek-michiana] Re: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS installs
>
>
>
> The AT&T deal is for residential only. I brought it up and we discussed it
> on this list back in September. It lead to a discussion of OpenMesh.
>
>
>
> I agree that it isn't important that the systems are 100% up to date when
> we hand them out, but I think they should be at least close at the time of
> install. You are right that if they don't have internet at home there is
> little reason to make sure all of the security updates are applied. We don't
> want to leave them with 3+ hours of updates the first time they boot up and
> connect to the internet either, though.
>
>
>
> Tony
>
>
>
>
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> From: chuq00@xxxxxxxxx
> To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 06:08:44 -0500
> Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Re: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS installs
>
> Using clonezilla on a 100 Mbit takes less than 20 minutes. Ideally you
> would setup vbox mount your image in it run any updates to that image in
> vbox, reclone it and then send it on the wire.
> As far as servers and what-not goes, I am a bit confused as to why one
> would need a gateway and firewall if one does not have internet access.
> I would say using ubuntu server would be the best idea as it would make
> administering it easy since it is ubuntu and everyone is familiar with it,
> but ultimately it comes down to who is going to be using it and
> administrating it.
> Ubuntu supports your choice of virtual appliances if you are wanting to use
> other oses to be a firewall, although it can easily handle doing all of it.
> The server should have 2 nics ideally but if your not going to have internet
> access 1 could get you by. I personally would waste the extra electricity
> running multiple servers when 1 can handle it.
> As far as internet goes, at&t dsl is only $15 per month, why not just get
> it installed and make life easier than sneaker-netting everything in. Set-up
> ssh, and someone can log in before volunteer night, and process the updates
> needed, so when everyone comes in that does not have to be done.
> The whole no internet access thing with trying this and that, is a dead
> horse, quit beating it and order at&t otherwise too much time will be wasted
> every week taking out hard drives, rsyncing repos, installing hdd, updating,
> and everything every week.
> Also, why are we worried about ensuring each system is fully updated? I
> mean if systems are prepped and sitting on a shelf until class time, are you
> going to pull each system, and update it before it goes out? Sounds like too
> much repetitive work.
> Install the systems, tell them to come to the next lug meeting if they do
> not have internet and want to learn how to update their system. Otherwise
> your just making too much needless work for the volunteers. Hell it is
> linux, even if it had a big security hole it is less likely to be exploited
> than a m$ system. And honestly if they do not have internet at home, then
> there is not much need in it being updated. If they do have internet ubuntu
> will pop up and say you have 1500 updates available and let's update it.
> That will make life easier for everyone.
> Addressing the volunteers installing ubuntu, if needed you can always grab
> a box and do it, or set up vbox on the server and let them install it that
> way, you delete afterwards.
>
> Chuq
>
> Chuq from my *DROID.*
>
>
>
> -----Original message-----
>
> *From: *Phil Goldbach <shadowvar8541@xxxxxxxxx>*
> To: *frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx*
> Sent: *Thu, Dec 2, 2010 05:28:51 GMT+00:00*
> Subject: *[frgeek-michiana] Re: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS installs
>
> Ubuntu is Debian based, so by getting more familiar with Ubuntu, you
> become familiar to Debian by proxy. However, I don't know how well server
> editions of anything hold up, so I can't say much of anything. If one is
> going to be easier to use than the other, then that's fine by me. Although I
> had gotten comfortable enough with the server to know how to log onto it,
> print necessary forms and burn CDs. Either way, no big deal. Speaking of
> which, I know we're keeping manual timesheets, but if I recall correctly,
> when Goose transitioned the warehouse server from VL to Debian, the
> timesheets and all the other docs were saved. Ironically, can't seem to find
> them on the server. Unless they're under the administrator and can't be
> viewed by a guest user?
>
> I may not know how to setup a server or repo, but couldn't we do the rsync
> as Goose suggested with an external for the server, then add and remove our
> repo to Freeboxes ourselves? I realize this does add two extra steps (add,
> then remove) to the install and testing process, but unless someone else can
> come up with something better or knows of a better way, then by all means
> I'd say go for it. Until we get Internet, this would probably be the best
> idea.
>
> By the same token, doing network installs would probably work much faster
> than physical media. Sure, it cuts out on new volunteers learning how to
> install via CD/DVD based, but we can always teach and probably use both
> methods-network for when we're pressed on time or need to get FreeBoxes out,
> and CD based when there's not many volunteers or no rush for machines. I
> forget how fast Chuq said it was, but I know that as far as installing a
> complete OS plus additional programs it took him less than an hour to setup
> a machine at his shop.
>
> It's December, I don't know if we've had enough machines installed and
> updated for a class, but if we're wanting to do this, then maybe it would be
> possible for Chuq and Goose to show us how to set it all up? I only suggest
> this because Goose is the most familiar with Debian (the server) and Chuq
> knows how to go about using Clonezilla (correct me if I'm wrong). And I
> believe it was Mark who said that we would just have to be sure that we have
> the images for Intel and AMD based machines.
>
> In the end, I know very little about all this, but here's the thing: Let's
> just make a decision on which method to do installs, and stick with it for
> the time being. Then make a decision about how to go about updating the
> Freeboxes. I would vote for Goose's idea of rsync w/external hard drive. It
> still comes down to someone taking the external home, getting the new
> updates, then coming back a week later to update the server, but a lot
> easier than a volunteer lugging home a machine or two, updating it, and
> sucking up their available bandwith and whatnot, then having to lug the
> machine back to the warehouse.
>
>
>
> Phil Goldbach
>
> "Men cry not for themselves, but for their comrades."
>
> --- On *Wed, 12/1/10, Tom Brown <tbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Tom Brown <tbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Re: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS installs
> To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 5:15 PM
>
> We don’t have anybody currently attending the workshop with the Debian
> chops to set up and maintain the server as a gateway/firewall. There are
> several unused rack servers in inventory which can be used for the
> gateway/firewall, and I know ClearOS. Even if Mike has the Debian chops, I
> think his time is better devoted to building shelving; at least that is the
> plan he has laid out.
>
>
>
> While we are on the subject and since we are standardizing on Ubuntu on the
> desktop, does anyone have an opinion re using Ubuntu 10.04 LTS server
> edition instead of Debian at the workshop and possibly elsewhere? I don’t
> know enough about Debian or Ubuntu to have an opinion. I’m more familiar
> with CentOS and Slackware, and, of those two distros I am almost certain the
> majority would prefer CentOS.
>
>
>
> Tom --
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Richard Zimmerman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 01, 2010 12:52
> *To:* frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [frgeek-michiana] Re: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS installs
>
>
>
> Why use a separate gateway/firewall machine... The existing Debian server
> is more then capable of handling it....
>
>
>
> Also, as far as repository goes, rsync any repository you want to follow to
> a external hard drive, then rsync it to the server...
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Tom Brown
> <tbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=tbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> wrote:
>
> Two weeks ago (was it 3?) we moved the test table next to the overhead door
> and the server rack to between the load tables. This week we’ll fan out
> cables to the load tables. I suppose the next step is to set up an Ubuntu
> 10.04 LTS repository on the server. I think Mike already knows how to do
> this, but I’ll research it too. If anyone else wants to help with the
> project, let me know.
>
>
>
> We might want to use one of the smaller rack servers as a gateway/firewall.
> I am familiar with Clear OS since I use it at work. Clear OS provides an
> open source community edition which should provide enough services for us.
>
>
>
> Tom --
>
>
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> *From:*
> frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>[mailto:
> frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]
> *On Behalf Of *Phil Goldbach
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 01, 2010 00:39
> *To:*
> frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Subject:* [frgeek-michiana] Re: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS installs
>
>
>
> I apologize I haven't checked the list in weeks, college does that.
>
> I agree that the repository idea is the best route to go, especially if we
> set up a LAN. No idea on how to build/create a repository, hopefully you
> guys do. But setting up a LAN with a repo would in effect allow us to test
> our network interfaces. After all, we do have the gear to it. I do recommend
> that if we use the current rack-mount LAN that is sitting on the shelf over
> the loading tables that we see about mounting it to the bottom side of the
> shelf or somewhere else so that way it isn't taking up space on the shelf.
>
> Don't know if this has been addressed yet or not, but we do need copies of
> Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, and probably would be a good idea to have the ISO on the
> warehouse server to burn more copies as needed. The idea is that each
> loading/testing station should have a copy of Ubuntu, data and audio CDs,
> and each D-BAN should have a copy of D-BAN (or UBCD to utilize HDDErase). I
> have some CDs that I can bring in for copies to be made so that way we have
> audio discs. Most of it's Def Leppard, though. Still works for our purposes.
> Good news is that I only have a couple more weeks of college left before
> semester is over.
>
> Phil Goldbach
>
> "Men cry not for themselves, but for their comrades."
>
> --- On *Mon, 11/15/10, Tom Brown
> <tbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=tbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: Tom Brown
> <tbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=tbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Re: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS installs
> To:
> frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Monday, November 15, 2010, 4:00 PM
>
> Months ago we decided to set up a repository. But, without more help, the
> project was put on hold while we dealt with inventory and began building
> shelving for the workshop. I hope to set up a LAN in the workshop this week;
> then we can take up the repository project soon.
>
>
> Tom --
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:*
> frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>[mailto:
> frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]
> *On Behalf Of *chuq00@xxxxxxxxx <http://mc/compose?to=chuq00@xxxxxxxxx>
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 14, 2010 12:02
> *To:*
> frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Subject:* [frgeek-michiana] Re: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS installs
>
>
>
> That was being done for a while. I think the best solution without internet
> at the warehouse would creating a local repository and taking that home
> weekly to be updated.
>
>
> Chuq from my *DROID.*
>
>
>
> -----Original message-----
>
> *From: *Mark Neddeau
> <mln3768@xxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=mln3768@xxxxxxxxx>
> >*
> To:
> *frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *
> Sent: *Sun, Nov 14, 2010 16:54:22 GMT+00:00*
> Subject: *[frgeek-michiana] Re: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS installs
>
> That is correct, as I recall.
>
> I had another idea about getting things up and running "Out of the Box",
> from the warehouse. We could actually send a fresh install home with a
> volunteer to finish up downloading and running all of the CURRENT updates,
> which will be ever-changing, of course, as well as intalling the "Ubuntu
> Restricted Extras" packages for decoding DVDs and most of the common codecs,
> (and, perhaps the VLC player, which has a vast codec library of it's
> own)...an then make a CLONE, preferably on a CD, but a HDD, IF necessary,
> then we could just clone them at the warehouse. This should not be too much
> of a problem as far as the HAL is concerned, but we would have to have one
> clone each for AMD-based and Intel-based systems, that is IF we have any AMD
> systems to give away...
>
> Just a thought.
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 11/12/10, Tom Brown wrote:
>
> > From: Tom Brown
> > Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Re: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS installs
> > To:
> > frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: Friday, November 12, 2010, 8:25 PM
> > Sorry about my imprecise language.
> >
> > Rhythmbox on my Ubuntu 10.04 laptop automatically detects
> > music CDs and pops up a list of the tunes to choose from. I
> > recall Movie Player, or Ubuntu, offering to download
> > additional libraries the first time I tried to play a video
> > DVD. Perhaps audio codecs were included? I don't remember
> > doing the same thing with Rhythmbox.
> >
> > At the workshop, Rhythmbox did not detect music CDs. When
> > we opened Rhythmbox and tried to play an audio CD, we got
> > error messages saying mp3 libraries or codecs were not
> > available to play the CD.
> >
> > RhythmBox's web site says:
> >
> > * Easy to use music browser
> > * Searching and sorting
> > * Comprehensive audio format support
> > through GStreamer
> > * Internet Radio support including
> > last.fm streams
> > * Playlists
> > * Display audio visualizations
> > * Transfer music to and from iPod, MTP,
> > and USB Mass Storage music players
> > * Display album art and song lyrics
> > downloaded from the internet
> > * Play, rip, and burn audio CDs
> > * Automatically download audio podcasts
> > * Browse, preview, and download albums
> > from Magnatune and Jamendo
> >
> > However, all we got last night was an error message
> > regarding mp3 files. We know the CDROM drive was good
> > because we installed Ubuntu from it and also manually
> > mounted data CDs.
> >
> > We'll try the HPLJ4 driver next week.
> >
> > Tom --
> >
> > Tony Germano wrote:
> > > Technically, an audio CD can't be mounted. It doesn't
> > have a filesystem. It is in the RedBook format, and the
> > audio is encoded in 2-channel PCM at 44.1kHz. Whether Ubuntu
> > detects it as a audio CD and autoplays it is another matter,
> > but it shouldn't be dependent on mp3 codecs being present
> > (unless we're actually talking about a data disc with mp3
> > files on it.) I find it very surprising that a fresh install
> > can't play an audio cd. You may need to actually select a
> > "Play Audio CD" option in the media player. I know that is
> > the case with Windows Media Player and VLC (and 12 years ago
> > when I still used WinAmp.)
> > >
> > > As for the printer, nearly every HP LasetJet that I've
> > come across will work with the standard LaserJet 4 drivers
> > (at least in Windows) as long as you don't need any extra
> > functionality like selecting output trays or duplexing. That
> > printer and, I believe, all LaserJets after it support the
> > Enhanced PCL 5 language.
> > >
> > > Tony
> > >
> > > > Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:13:03 -0500
> > > > From: tbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxx <http://mc/compose?to=tbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To:
> > > > frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://mc/compose?to=frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Ubuntu 10.04 LTS
> > installs
> > > >
> > > > Mark and I found some problems last night testing
> > Ubuntu 10.04 LTS.
> > > >
> > > > 1. Audio/video CDs and DVDs
> > > >
> > > > We discovered that Ubuntu 10.04 LTS has problems
> > automounting CDs and
> > > > audio CDs in particular. Ubuntu does not come
> > with MP3 codecs installed
> > > > so we could not play, and therefore test, audio
> > CDs. We were able to
> > > > test the sound subsystem another way.
> > > >
> > > > I suspect we'll have the same problem with video
> > CDs and DVDs because of
> > > > missing codecs.
> > > >
> > > > 2. Printer setup
> > > >
> > > > Mark attached the Laserjet HP6L gravity feed
> > printer we typically use
> > > > for final testing. Ubuntu detected the printer,
> > but there were no local
> > > > printer drivers for it. Instead, Ubuntu tried to
> > download drivers from
> > > > the Internet. Since we don't have an Internet
> > connection yet, that
> > > > didn't work.
> > > >
> > > > 3. Network interfaces
> > > >
> > > > We need to install a LAN at the workshop so we
> > can test network
> > > > interfaces. I'll bring cable, tools and a tester
> > next Thursday.
> > > >
> > > > 4. Immediate solution
> > > >
> > > > The only immediate solution is to put off testing
> > of these components of
> > > > Ubuntu and inform FreeBox recipients they need to
> > bring their systems to
> > > > FGMLUG for final setup and testing. Even if we
> > are prepared to do so at
> > > > the workshop, we might want to put off installing
> > drivers and codecs.
> > > >
> > > > FGMLUG has Internet connections and can download
> > updates, drivers and
> > > > codecs. The advantage is hooking people into
> > FGMLUG right away. LUG
> > > > members can test the network interface and show
> > the recipient how to
> > > > update their systems. If they bring an audio CD
> > or DVD, FGMLUG can
> > > > install codecs and show the user how to play
> > audio/video on their
> > > > computer as well as install Flash for web
> > browsing.
> > > >
> > > > FGMLUG can advise recipients on printers and
> > install printers. At our
> > > > last meeting we showed an FGMLUG member how to
> > install a printer over
> > > > his home XP based network. He brought the printer
> > to the meeting. We
> > > > showed him how to install the printer directly on
> > the Ubuntu box. Then
> > > > we installed the printer on a Windows Vista
> > system, detected the printer
> > > > over the network and installed the correct driver
> > in Ubuntu.
> > > >
> > > > Tom --
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