[frgeek-michiana] Re: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS installs
- From: Phil Goldbach <shadowvar8541@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 21:28:35 -0800 (PST)
Ubuntu is Debian based, so by getting more familiar with Ubuntu, you become
familiar to Debian by proxy. However, I don't know how well server editions of
anything hold up, so I can't say much of anything. If one is going to be easier
to use than the other, then that's fine by me. Although I had gotten
comfortable enough with the server to know how to log onto it, print necessary
forms and burn CDs. Either way, no big deal. Speaking of which, I know we're
keeping manual timesheets, but if I recall correctly, when Goose transitioned
the warehouse server from VL to Debian, the timesheets and all the other docs
were saved. Ironically, can't seem to find them on the server. Unless they're
under the administrator and can't be viewed by a guest user?
I may not know how to setup a server or repo, but couldn't we do the rsync as
Goose suggested with an external for the server, then add and remove our repo
to Freeboxes ourselves? I realize this does add two extra steps (add, then
remove) to the install and testing process, but unless someone else can come up
with something better or knows of a better way, then by all means I'd say go
for it. Until we get Internet, this would probably be the best idea.
By the same token, doing network installs would probably work much faster than
physical media. Sure, it cuts out on new volunteers learning how to install via
CD/DVD based, but we can always teach and probably use both methods-network for
when we're pressed on time or need to get FreeBoxes out, and CD based when
there's not many volunteers or no rush for machines. I forget how fast Chuq
said it was, but I know that as far as installing a complete OS plus additional
programs it took him less than an hour to setup a machine at his shop.
It's December, I don't know if we've had enough machines installed and updated
for a class, but if we're wanting to do this, then maybe it would be possible
for Chuq and Goose to show us how to set it all up? I only suggest this because
Goose is the most familiar with Debian (the server) and Chuq knows how to go
about using Clonezilla (correct me if I'm wrong). And I believe it was Mark who
said that we would just have to be sure that we have the images for Intel and
AMD based machines.
In the end, I know very little about all this, but here's the thing: Let's just
make a decision on which method to do installs, and stick with it for the time
being. Then make a decision about how to go about updating the Freeboxes. I
would vote for Goose's idea of rsync w/external hard drive. It still comes down
to someone taking the external home, getting the new updates, then coming back
a week later to update the server, but a lot easier than a volunteer lugging
home a machine or two, updating it, and sucking up their available bandwith and
whatnot, then having to lug the machine back to the warehouse.
Phil Goldbach
"Men cry not for themselves, but for their comrades."
--- On Wed, 12/1/10, Tom Brown <tbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Tom Brown <tbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Re: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS installs
To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 5:15 PM
We don’t have anybody currently attending
the workshop with the Debian chops to set up and maintain the server as a
gateway/firewall. There are several unused rack servers in inventory which can
be used for the gateway/firewall, and I know ClearOS. Even if Mike has the
Debian
chops, I think his time is better devoted to building shelving; at least that
is the plan he has laid out.
While we are on the subject and since we
are standardizing on Ubuntu on the desktop, does anyone have an opinion re
using Ubuntu 10.04 LTS server edition instead of Debian at the workshop and
possibly elsewhere? I don’t know enough about Debian or Ubuntu to have an
opinion. I’m more familiar with CentOS and Slackware, and, of those two
distros I am almost certain the majority would prefer CentOS.
Tom --
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[mailto:frgeek-michiana-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Richard Zimmerman
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010
12:52
To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Re:
Ubuntu 10.04 LTS installs
Why use a separate gateway/firewall machine... The existing Debian
server is more then capable of handling it....
Also, as far as repository goes, rsync any repository you want to
follow to a external hard drive, then rsync it to the server...
Richard
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Tom Brown <tbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Two weeks ago (was it 3?) we moved the test table next to the
overhead door and the server rack to between the load tables. This week
we’ll fan out cables to the load tables. I suppose the next step is to
set up an Ubuntu 10.04 LTS repository on the server. I think Mike already knows
how to do this, but I’ll research it too. If anyone else wants to help with
the project, let me know.
We might want to use one of the smaller rack servers as a
gateway/firewall. I am familiar with Clear OS since I use it at work. Clear OS
provides an open source community edition which should provide enough services
for us.
Tom --
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On Behalf Of Phil Goldbach
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010
00:39
To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Re:
Ubuntu 10.04 LTS installs
I apologize I
haven't checked the list in weeks, college does that.
I agree that the repository idea is the best route to go, especially if we
set up a LAN. No idea on how to build/create a repository, hopefully you guys
do. But setting up a LAN with a repo would in effect allow us to test our
network interfaces. After all, we do have the gear to it. I do recommend that
if we use the current rack-mount LAN that is sitting on the shelf over the
loading tables that we see about mounting it to the bottom side of the shelf
or somewhere else so that way it isn't taking up space on the shelf.
Don't know if this has been addressed yet or not, but we do need copies of
Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, and probably would be a good idea to have the ISO on the
warehouse server to burn more copies as needed. The idea is that each
loading/testing station should have a copy of Ubuntu, data and audio CDs, and
each D-BAN should have a copy of D-BAN (or UBCD to utilize HDDErase). I have
some CDs that I can bring in for copies to be made so that way we have audio
discs. Most of it's Def Leppard, though. Still works for our purposes. Good
news is that I only have a couple more weeks of college left before semester
is over.
Phil Goldbach
"Men cry not for themselves, but for their comrades."
--- On Mon, 11/15/10, Tom Brown <tbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Tom Brown <tbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Re: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS installs
To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Monday, November 15, 2010, 4:00 PM
Months ago we decided to set up a repository.
But, without more help, the project was put on hold while we dealt with
inventory and began building shelving for the workshop. I hope to set up a
LAN in the workshop this week; then we can take up the repository project
soon.
Tom --
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On Behalf Of chuq00@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010
12:02
To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Re:
Ubuntu 10.04 LTS installs
That
was being done for a while. I think the best solution without internet at the
warehouse would creating a local repository and taking that home weekly to be
updated.
Chuq from my DROID.
-----Original message-----
From: Mark
Neddeau <mln3768@xxxxxxxxx>
To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sun, Nov 14, 2010 16:54:22 GMT+00:00
Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Re: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS installs
That is correct, as I recall.
I had another idea about getting things up and running "Out of the
Box", from the warehouse. We could actually send a fresh install home
with a volunteer to finish up downloading and running all of the CURRENT
updates, which will be ever-changing, of course, as well as intalling the
"Ubuntu Restricted Extras" packages for decoding DVDs and most of
the common codecs, (and, perhaps the VLC player, which has a vast codec
library of it's own)...an then make a CLONE, preferably on a CD, but a HDD,
IF necessary, then we could just clone them at the warehouse. This should not
be too much of a problem as far as the HAL is concerned, but we would have to
have one clone each for AMD-based and Intel-based systems, that is IF we have
any AMD systems to give away...
Just a thought.
--- On Fri, 11/12/10, Tom Brown wrote:
> From: Tom Brown
> Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Re: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS installs
> To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Friday, November 12, 2010, 8:25 PM
> Sorry about my imprecise language.
>
> Rhythmbox on my Ubuntu 10.04 laptop automatically detects
> music CDs and pops up a list of the tunes to choose from. I
> recall Movie Player, or Ubuntu, offering to download
> additional libraries the first time I tried to play a video
> DVD. Perhaps audio codecs were included? I don't remember
> doing the same thing with Rhythmbox.
>
> At the workshop, Rhythmbox did not detect music CDs. When
> we opened Rhythmbox and tried to play an audio CD, we got
> error messages saying mp3 libraries or codecs were not
> available to play the CD.
>
> RhythmBox's web site says:
>
> * Easy to use music browser
> * Searching and sorting
> * Comprehensive audio format support
> through GStreamer
> * Internet Radio support including
> last.fm streams
> * Playlists
> * Display audio visualizations
> * Transfer music to and from iPod, MTP,
> and USB Mass Storage music players
> * Display album art and song lyrics
> downloaded from the internet
> * Play, rip, and burn audio CDs
> * Automatically download audio podcasts
> * Browse, preview, and download albums
> from Magnatune and Jamendo
>
> However, all we got last night was an error message
> regarding mp3 files. We know the CDROM drive was good
> because we installed Ubuntu from it and also manually
> mounted data CDs.
>
> We'll try the HPLJ4 driver next week.
>
> Tom --
>
> Tony Germano wrote:
> > Technically, an audio CD can't be mounted. It doesn't
> have a filesystem. It is in the RedBook format, and the
> audio is encoded in 2-channel PCM at 44.1kHz. Whether Ubuntu
> detects it as a audio CD and autoplays it is another matter,
> but it shouldn't be dependent on mp3 codecs being present
> (unless we're actually talking about a data disc with mp3
> files on it.) I find it very surprising that a fresh install
> can't play an audio cd. You may need to actually select a
> "Play Audio CD" option in the media player. I know that is
> the case with Windows Media Player and VLC (and 12 years ago
> when I still used WinAmp.)
> >
> > As for the printer, nearly every HP LasetJet that I've
> come across will work with the standard LaserJet 4 drivers
> (at least in Windows) as long as you don't need any extra
> functionality like selecting output trays or duplexing. That
> printer and, I believe, all LaserJets after it support the
> Enhanced PCL 5 language.
> >
> > Tony
> >
> > > Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:13:03 -0500
> > > From: tbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > To: frgeek-michiana@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [frgeek-michiana] Ubuntu 10.04 LTS
> installs
> > >
> > > Mark and I found some problems last night testing
> Ubuntu 10.04 LTS.
> > >
> > > 1. Audio/video CDs and DVDs
> > >
> > > We discovered that Ubuntu 10.04 LTS has problems
> automounting CDs and
> > > audio CDs in particular. Ubuntu does not come
> with MP3 codecs installed
> > > so we could not play, and therefore test, audio
> CDs. We were able to
> > > test the sound subsystem another way.
> > >
> > > I suspect we'll have the same problem with video
> CDs and DVDs because of
> > > missing codecs.
> > >
> > > 2. Printer setup
> > >
> > > Mark attached the Laserjet HP6L gravity feed
> printer we typically use
> > > for final testing. Ubuntu detected the printer,
> but there were no local
> > > printer drivers for it. Instead, Ubuntu tried to
> download drivers from
> > > the Internet. Since we don't have an Internet
> connection yet, that
> > > didn't work.
> > >
> > > 3. Network interfaces
> > >
> > > We need to install a LAN at the workshop so we
> can test network
> > > interfaces. I'll bring cable, tools and a tester
> next Thursday.
> > >
> > > 4. Immediate solution
> > >
> > > The only immediate solution is to put off testing
> of these components of
> > > Ubuntu and inform FreeBox recipients they need to
> bring their systems to
> > > FGMLUG for final setup and testing. Even if we
> are prepared to do so at
> > > the workshop, we might want to put off installing
> drivers and codecs.
> > >
> > > FGMLUG has Internet connections and can download
> updates, drivers and
> > > codecs. The advantage is hooking people into
> FGMLUG right away. LUG
> > > members can test the network interface and show
> the recipient how to
> > > update their systems. If they bring an audio CD
> or DVD, FGMLUG can
> > > install codecs and show the user how to play
> audio/video on their
> > > computer as well as install Flash for web
> browsing.
> > >
> > > FGMLUG can advise recipients on printers and
> install printers. At our
> > > last meeting we showed an FGMLUG member how to
> install a printer over
> > > his home XP based network. He brought the printer
> to the meeting. We
> > > showed him how to install the printer directly on
> the Ubuntu box. Then
> > > we installed the printer on a Windows Vista
> system, detected the printer
> > > over the network and installed the correct driver
> in Ubuntu.
> > >
> > > Tom --
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