As my pet subject has raised its head again I'll take this opportunity to have another rage. Security on the I/A system is without doubt an afterthought. Now you may be able to make an excuse for the Solaris environment given were it developed from. Lets face it there was not a queue of people trying to connect Venix to their corporate networks!. BUT the Windows implementation was developed when such things were normal practice. To even have to discuss if a password can be changed or not shows a total disregard for the customer. Sure there are practical reasons why these things are not easy but these should have been part of the design. Just think about the absurdity of the situation. We are allowed to protect the plant via various Foxview/DM protection functions. You can even buy an add-on product to keep records and track changes. BUT you cannot easily stop somebody logging in to you box as an administrator and destroying all your software!!! Just a little thought for the people who own and maintain these systems in the real world would be appreciated. Dave Williams Snr Power and Control Engineer Shell UK Oil Products Limited Stanlow Manufacturing Complex, PO Box 3, Ellesmere Port, South Wirral CH65 4HB, United Kingdom Tel: +44(0)151350 4480 Fax: 4566 Other Tel: +44 (0)7799 657836 Email: dave.g.williams@xxxxxxxxx Internet: http://www.shell.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Hyde, James [mailto:James.Hyde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 02 May 2002 20:20 To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [foxboro] Changing Admin. password on AW70 TS. Well I had my favorite Fox Field Tech. come in and help. After changing = the password back and rebooting I still had problems. We think the other = problem was that I also had a Network drive permanently mapped and that may have = stalled=20 the startup long enough to mess the Fox App's auto start. I unmapped = and rebooted everything seems fine. -----Original Message----- From: duc.do@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duc.do@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:53 PM To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [foxboro] Changing Admin. password on AW70 TS. >It's Illegal to change the passwords of either Foxboro accounts. James, you better hide! The IPS police is coming to haul you away. (I = know, I know, I'm next!) Duc -----Original Message----- From: Boulay, Russ [mailto:Russ.Boulay@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 9:44 AM To: 'foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: Re: [foxboro] Changing Admin. password on AW70 TS. It's Illegal to change the passwords of either Foxboro accounts...Fox or Administrator...If you change either password....fox_apps.dat does not = get processed during bootup...thus Foxboro applications will not = work....MUST maintain those 2 accounts per Foxboro standard. This is also true for the standard AW70 and WP70... > -----Original Message----- > From: foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx@CORP On Behalf Of "Hyde, James" > <James.Hyde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 9:33 AM > To: Freelist (E-mail) > Subject: [foxboro] Changing Admin. password on AW70 TS. >=20 >=20 > Has anyone had problems after changing the Admin. password on an AW70 = =3D > Terminal Server? Things such as API and CSA not starting = automatically. >=20 > James W. Hyde III > Controls Technician > Wellman Inc. > Office: 228-533-4528 > Pager: 888-634-1690 ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. 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