Ed, do you have another trip to Mexico City planned?
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Subject: [fighting_texas_aggie_band_class_of_1977] Re: Pyramids
Thanks David & Keith. I had not thought about no access to stones, only to mud.
Not sure that explains it, tho. The ancient Brits had mud and stones, they
built Stonehenge... Surely there must be some rocks nearby to St. Louis? Maybe
they didn't want to dig & move them? No beast of burden and no wheels in
pre-columbian America, the Spaniards brought those things.
Some ancient cultures developed farming and able to make permanent settlements.
Others were nomads forever. Few built monumental cities. Greeks, Romans,
there's amazing stuff in Sri Lanka... In the Americas, only in Mexico & Peru.
Something in the bible about Noah or Moses, I don't remember which, about being
respected, "in his time." Hmmm.
On Feb 18, 2021 14:10, Keith Glazener <kglazener@xxxxxxx> wrote:
It is disheartening to view things with a Modern Lens: Sul Ross, The Texas
Rangers, The Alamo/San Jac (the San Fran schools voted to abadon the name
"Alamo" because of Colonization & Brutality), The Civil War "heroes" once to be
admired... I'll ask, half-in-jest, "Will there be any white guys remaining to
P.S. Ed, don't knock Cahokia (they can't help it the didn't have stone to work
On Thursday, February 18, 2021, 12:55:48 PM CST, Edward Retta
I never mentioned anything about any specific book, much less a book titled,
Empire. I also don't know anything about the indigenous tribes of the current
US territory. I only know a little about the indigenous tribes of meso America.
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On Feb 18, 2021 12:32, David Townsley <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
This is not David. :-)
Re: that Empire book...
The author admits he only used written records to document his basis for the
1. Imagine if you will a history of Jews in Germany written by Nazis and taken
as absolutely the truth in a country where the Nazis won. These are equivalent
to the documents he used proudly to base his book.
2. The colonizer lens through which the author writes is very narrow and
flawed. He assumes much in the wrong direction.
3. Take it as a fictionalization and not 100% correct. If you enjoyed it, I’m
glad you had a nice break from reality.
4. He immediately states in all interviews that Comanche were in survival mode
and therefore had no art or anything else that made them non-savage. That’s a
big miss in his assumption.
5. He discounted oral history that is constantly being “discovered” as being
true. (See Texas Monthly article 12/15/20 about Pease River) this is always how
I heard it. Sorry if it bothers the Aggie hearts to hear it this way.
6. Yes, it was war and it was brutal. I have at the 3xgreat ancestors that
killed each others relatives. My gggrandmother rode against Texas Rangers with
her husband. My ancestors were pretty much the reason the rangers were created.
I’ll stop there.
Roberta Helen Hawana Huwuni Townsley
Shoshone stock, Comanche Nation, Nokoni* Band that was renamed Kwahari Band,
great granddaughter of Quanah Parker and wife Weckeah and Edward L. Clark(aka
Nocktooah Comanche adoptee and signature 31 on the 1892 Jerome Agreement) and
Womaconi. Womaconi is the daughter of Moxie that was at Adobe Walls and backed
his horse into the door trying to break it down.
*tradition held that you do not speak someone’s name after their death.
On Feb 18, 2021, at 9:56 AM, Edward Retta
You are definitely welcomed on our first post covid pandemic, professional
guided tour of Mexico City. Like I said, Jeff and Dwight can tell us all about
You may see the highlights of ancient civilizations, Aztec & pre Aztec, walk
thru real archeological digs, climb the pyramids yourself (optional) and walk
through the ruins of the Aztec high temple, and see that stone where they tore
out human hearts. Plus lots of other fun, contemporary stuff. Including my
It's a 4 day weekend, Friday thru Monday, so working folks and students only
miss 2 days...for about $1500 bucks US.
We may certainly do an all BQ buds tour! Need a minimum of 14 people.
I have also toured those indian mounds just outside of St. Louis, MO. There is
no comparison, those are just big piles of dirt.
On Feb 18, 2021 08:07, Michael Brown
I definitely don't buy the "noble savage" myth. They were humans, capable of
as much evil and environmental destruction as their European (Asian, African)
I still would love to have seen the cities, villages, irrigation projects,
pyramids, and mound building that obviously was going on in pre-Columbian
On Wednesday, February 17, 2021, 11:17:47 PM CST, Edward Retta
Dean, that "height" of Indian civilization in those years included massive
scale human sacrifice in Tenochtitlan, the Aztec capital. Some estimates as
high as 80,000 per year. Beating human hearts were extracted from conquered
tribes' members. I have seen the sacrificial stones with my own eyes. So did
our buds Jeff Davis and Dwight Henneberger on our first tour of Mexico City in
Sure the Aztecs were great engineers and architects, but also the Nazis of the
Americas in 1490s.
On Feb 17, 2021 21:40, Dean B
I never had much opinion on "Hamiliton" one way or another, but the concept of
intentionally putting minorities into historical roles that weren't minority,
just seemed like they were trying too hard to be "woke". And I'd forgotten
that nonsense of the cast of high school dropouts, lecture the VPOTUS from the
stage. Shut up and sing, no one bought a ticket to hear your mindless ranting.
If we're on the subject of our misspent youth in front of the TV, my vote is
for "12 O'clock High", where they ran the same WWII gun camera film of the same
planes being shot down every week. Then the later, silly ones, like "McHale's
Navy", and "Hogan's Heroes", the latter where the Germans were all played by
I'll echo the call to read "1491", I found it fascinating. If God allows you
to watch his old home movies when you pass, I want to see what this country
looked like before the first humans showed up, and what it looked like in 1491
at the height of Indian civilization.
And "Empire of the Summer Moon" is a pretty good read on the generational war
between Europeans and Comanches between about 1836 and the founding year of