Simon wrote : Steve - assuming (perhaps wrongly) that your using a DSL gateway router you should refer to the routers vendor website for VPN setup ( etc ) ........ I may seem to know what I am talking about but I am very new to win servers let alone VPN ................ We are using BT as the ADSL ISP, we have an Eicon wireless router that allows VPN through, a ciso pix firewall, ( hopefully both setup right ), then the win2000 server with exchange, and win 2000 / XP Pro clients. I have a win2003 server system in the techlab and I setup the " internal " PPTP and L2TP VPN's via a superb document without any problems, it took you through step by step at all inputs and got it right first time. Also not so for the 2000 " step guides " I can't even get internal PPTP / L2TP to work........ hence my quest I am in the UK but I thought a little more background into what I am trying to do may help before I do so....... Many thanks Steve