Legitimate proven RBLs do have a place, in a weighting system. We use RBLs very effectively in our spam software but the entire spam filtering is built around weights. Every element is assigned a weight, and actions are taken on weight levels. That means it would take at least 2 major RBLs to hold a message, and at least 3 major RBLs to delete a message. I and others using this software have proven over time that there are no false positives when using this method. In this discussion, saying no false positives means there was a legitimate reason that the server was listed, even if temporarily. John T eServices For You -----Original Message----- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:MBlackstone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 8:01 AM To: [ExchangeList] Subject: [exchangelist] RE: Server blacklisted http://www.MSExchange.org/ I don't know about the scams part, but I agree. Don't use them. I'm not placing control of my email in the hands of vigilantes. There are much better technologies available that give you control over what mail you receive. _____ From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 7:39 AM To: [ExchangeList] Subject: [exchangelist] RE: Server blacklisted http://www.MSExchange.org/ Hey Bruce, Fact is that all RBLs are scams. Don't use them. There is much better technology out there to help you in your war against spam. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Bruce J. Rose [mailto:brose@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 8:16 AM To: [ExchangeList] Subject: [exchangelist] RE: Server blacklisted http://www.MSExchange.org/ Thanks for the info. I have checked for open relay and my mail server does not allow relay. I found a internal fax server that was infected with backdoor and hacktools and clean it up it may have been relaying via being on the inside of the network. I do not think I am spamming now, I have turned on message tracking to manually check. After looking up info on Blars it looks like this guy is not reliable and does not work and play well with others in other words he might even be a scam I'm am not sure yet. He is the only one to blacklist my server. I am still in the process of learning the nuts and bolts of spaming; I will report back to the list the knowledge I acquire on this problem. I am also installing MS IMF. Thanks Bruce Rose _____ From: Mike Dufoe [mailto:dufoem@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 11:03 AM To: [ExchangeList] Subject: [exchangelist] RE: Server blacklisted http://www.MSExchange.org/ Check this out Bruce. http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=echosat.com -----Original Message----- From: Bruce J. Rose [mailto:brose@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 10:41 AM To: [ExchangeList] Subject: [exchangelist] Server blacklisted http://www.MSExchange.org/ My Exchange got blacklisted by Blars, anyone know a way to check an exchange server to see if it is a spam machine. 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