RE: Relay permissions error ...

  • From: "Donavon Yelton" <dyelton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "[ExchangeList]" <exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:17:11 -0400

E-mail in my mind is broken, the entire process of e-mail needs to be
took back to the drawing board and revised.  Whitelisting isn't going to
work, blacklisting isn't going to work, keyword blocking isn't going to
work, etc.  You seem to have a good hold of how to reduce spam in your
organization, but you haven't mentioned exactly how you do it.  Please
share.  I'm not trying to be rude, but for you to make a comment that
the problem with spam can be fixed, though not simply, and not let us
know how or where to start on the task is shortwinded.  If you have tips
or solutions for defending an organization against spam in a costly
manner then please share them with us.  We're here to be a community to
better each and every member of this discussion list.  Someone asked a
question regarding Outlook 2000/XP and you simply responded, "yes."  I'm
sorry if I feel that your answer was irrelevant but it seems as though
just simply stating "yes" makes it seem as though you have a grasp on
the concept of the uber-geek and that no one should know your solutions.
The person simply asked a question and in my mind, wanted to know the
process of doing it, but such a simple answer of "yes" will in no way
answer the user's question.  If you have a solution to a problem,
respond, if you do not then don't waste my bandwidth.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [mailto:johnlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:58 AM
To: [ExchangeList]
Subject: [exchangelist] RE: Relay permissions error ...

I am not biased, far from it. I am a small business myself, one man
shop. I wear the following hats: Owner, Account, Consultant, Engineer,
Cable Installer, e-mail admin, Network Admin, firewall admin, Tier 1
support, Tier 2 support, Tier 3 support, etc. In and amongst all this, I
do my best to help others to pay back all the help I get from others. 

But I am biased in that I hate spam and fully realize the cost it places
upon us daily.

The inhearant problem with DNS blacklists is that not one is perfect, or
even close to it. Each and every one has False Positives and each and
every one will not catch every piece of spam. This can therefore lead to
other problems, such as the one you are experiencing. Do you know it has
been proven that a popular DNS Blacklist has repeatedly listed a major
financially related company because of people subject to their actions
complained about them? The name of the company listed, Dunn &
Bradstreet. That caused tremendous problems for a major corporation that
received many messages from D&B hourly as part of business, and would
find itself suddenly not receiving them. Now, that company realizes what
a battle with spam really is.

Relying upon a DNS blacklist to find and stop spam is like saying all
teen ages do not know how to drive. That is a blanket statement and is

Fighting the war on spam is not an easy one, and can not be done with a
simple single approach. 

You say you cramped for money. So are most of us. Now maybe your
companies experience with Spam is better than 99% of us, but dealing
with spam does cost the company one way or another. 

If you are cramped for money on the war on spam, have you investigated
other options? There are ways of fighting it without spend large amounts
of money.

Example, I and others, using our software and our infrastructure and our
experience and our combined knowledge offer services to others for a
reasonable rate because we know not every company can afford to fight
the war on their own.

Now, like I have posted before, maybe we should all work together to
find a better solution to a problem rather than trying to find a quick

BTW, I do not relay on keywords either.

John Tolmachoff MCSE CSSA
eServices For You

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