I'm for once glad that someone else shares the same views as me. Every single day when I read through the e-mails from this list I'm bombarded with John's comments regarding the "read the archives" or "get an education" and it's becoming old. I would consider myself an experienced Exchange admin and there are sometimes when I'm baffled and though the answer may be out there, though hard to find, sometimes it's just easier to ask a collective group of people the question and get an answer back quicker. I'm not for writing a book to the user asking how to be an Exchange admin, but I am with Simon in the fact that this is a place where folks can come for help, and as long as anyone barks at those who come here for help the list will dwindle down. Hell, I'm scared to even ask a question, however hard it may be to me because I know that John is going to come back and make me feel like shit in front of the entire list, so I choose not to and I've considered just dropping the list all-together. When I first joined it seemed as though people actually helped on here, but lately there has been a lot of barking going on and it just doesn't seem like a Q&A list anymore. Just my 2 cents. Donavon -----Original Message----- From: Simon Bound [mailto:simon.bound@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 4:19 AM To: [ExchangeList] Subject: [exchangelist] RE: Newbie using Exchange[Scanned] http://www.MSExchange.org/ John - I have seen your responses to these type of queries before and in some cases i.e stopping relaying, disclaimers etc are inclined to take your view. However, this is an Internet forum where ideally users can come for information and "we" should be pointing them in the right direction even if it is only "read the forums and archives". We can however objectively put our point over rather than the SHOUTS that I recently see going on here. Yes you are right companies don't realise what's going on behind the send button - that's why they employ the likes of you and me and the poor sod who has to fight his way through Exchange with no training offered or ever likely to be (mainly due to the costs of the courses - and I know we could talk ages about THAT issue) . All I'm saying is take a step back 'cos people come to the forum for help and barking at them that they have no business using it helps no one. (Ok it gets'; if off your chest.....) Simon -----Original Message----- From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [mailto:johnlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 11:31 PM To: [ExchangeList] Subject: [exchangelist] RE: Newbie using Exchange[Scanned] http://www.MSExchange.org/ If you want to play e-mail admin, you have to learn the ropes. There is no way any one can do justice by explaining briefly how e-mail and SMPT works. I am sorry, I IMHO, if you are not experienced with an e-mail server and SMTP, you have no business using it. People/companies like you that want their own mail server but have no clue of all the work that goes on behind "Send Now" button make my job and those of others that much harder, what with misconfigurations, bad records, open relays, poor policies and so forth. 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