RE: NTBackup throughput

  • From: "Mulnick, Al" <Al.Mulnick@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "[ExchangeList]" <exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:05:03 -0500

You likely were anyway, but I suggest you do that in a test environment. 
You also might want to check with Qlogic to see if they have any updates to
firmware etc. 
Good luck,

Al 

-----Original Message-----
From: Periyasamy, Raj [mailto:Raj.Periyasamy@xxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 3:57 PM
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Subject: [exchangelist] RE: NTBackup throughput

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Al,
That's exactly what I have zeroed in right now. Since the upgrade we have
been using the SCSImini port drivers for the HBAs. Whereas Microsoft
recommends using the Storeport drivers for the HBAs in a SAN environment for
better throughputs. So, I will change the drivers tomorrow, and keep you
posted on the results. The new hardware is a clean install. And we are in a
cluster environment. So we just moved over the HBAs from one node to the new
node.


Regards,

Raj


-----Original Message-----
From: Mulnick, Al [mailto:Al.Mulnick@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 3:45 PM
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Subject: [exchangelist] RE: NTBackup throughput

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You may want to check the drivers you're using to see if there's some
difference that may explain.  I know that for some of the HBA's, a change
from vendor to Microsoft drivers will yield some differences.
Mini-port/storage-port etc. 

Some of the tweaks that were applicable in W2K are self-defeating in
W2K3 as
well, so if you upgraded in place you'll want to revisit those changes and
optimizations. 

If you went to new hardware, it might be a good idea to double check the
zoning and SAN configuration to be sure it's the way you want it.
Sometimes
during an upgrade, things don't get moved as expected. 

Just some thoughts,

Al 

-----Original Message-----
From: Periyasamy, Raj [mailto:Raj.Periyasamy@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 3:24 PM
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Subject: [exchangelist] RE: NTBackup throughput

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Thanks Al.
All used to be well before the upgrade from Win/Exch 2000 to 2003. We just
upgraded to the latest Dell 2850 , dual CPU with 4Gb RAM. We still use the
same Qlogic HBAs and FC4500 SAN. We use Netbackup for nightly backups.
After
the upgrades our backup window went from 2hrs to 6hrs. We are trying to
identify what caused this. We thought switching to a disk to disk backup
using NTBackup might throw some light. We are really baffled on this one.
Thanks for your inputs.


Regards,

Raj



-----Original Message-----
From: Mulnick, Al [mailto:Al.Mulnick@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 2:38 PM
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Subject: [exchangelist] RE: NTBackup throughput

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Haven't done this in a while, but IIRC the theoretical limit of the software
was somewhere at 32GB/hour per store (same as 5.5).  So if you have more
than one store at a time, you should be able to attain far more throughput
(example, 4 SG's being backed up simultaneously ~ 32GB * 4 = 128GB/HR backup
rate). 

Your numbers indicate about 9GB/hr.  That's low. 

I'm pulling from memory here, but as I recall, there are several factors
that can impact performance:
1) fragmentation: create multiple volumes for the backup target.  One for
each SG you plan to backup at a time.  Ex: if you have 3 SG's, create three
volumes to back these up.

2) disk speeds: both coming and going.  E.x. if you have a latency issues
getting information from disk or writing to disk, you'll see it here.
Verify
that you don't have any bottlenecks in the disks (target and origination);
RAID configuration plays a part here as well.

3) server resources.  If the server is slow, then your backups will be as
well.  If you're backing up on the same server that is running Exchange,
that takes a bigger chunk.  If you're backing up during online maintenance,
that's a bad idea and you should change that.  If you're backing up during
the Index run or during AV background scan, then you should stop that.
If
you are backing up to a drive that is being AV scanned, that can consume
more resources.  Etc.

4) if isn't broke, don't fix it :)  I have to throw that in there because
you could be heading down a slippery slope with this.  If it works for you,
leave it alone. If you can't tolerate an all-night backup session, then you
should look into it.


Al
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Periyasamy, Raj [mailto:Raj.Periyasamy@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 1:32 PM
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Subject: [exchangelist] NTBackup throughput

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List,
How many of us are using NTBackup for backing up the Exchange 2003
Information store in a Disk to Disk backup environment. What is the
throughput I can expect in this environment. My throughputs are not more
than 2.5MB/sec from disk to disk. All disks are SAN attached. I think this
is way below what I should get.



Thanks
Raj 


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