RE: FW: RE: New Poll on

  • From: "John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)" <johnlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "'[ExchangeList]'" <exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:06:47 -0700

Mike, on your first point, have you thought about using a remote consultant,
using Terminal Services or such? I do 95% of my work for my servers and my
clients servers remotely. 


What OS has MS not supported for at least 6 years? When you have thousands
and thousands of lines of code, bugs will be found. To their credit, they
have made a great effort on fixing bugs when they are found. Last time I
checked, Novell stopped supporting versions older than 4 years. Even Cisco
no longer supports older versions of its IOS. Besides, why should I expect
to run a business in today's environment with today's technology on an OS
that is 7 years old? It does not work like that.


John Tolmachoff MCSE CSSA


eServices For You


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Dufoe [mailto:dufoem@xxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 4:29 AM
To: [ExchangeList]
Subject: [exchangelist] FW: RE: New Poll on



-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Dufoe 
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 7:27 AM
To: '[ExchangeList]'
Subject: RE: [exchangelist] RE: New Poll on


First off Stephen, our MS Admin left our company without any notice about a
3weeks/month ago and he is the same as you.choose not to install the patch
immediately, so pointing fingers stating "if you can't maintain your MS
installation, what chance will there be that you can maintain a brand new
OS, is uncalled for.  I maintain an Alpha Server running OpenVMS, not MS,
but until we find a new Admin for our MS servers, I'm stuck dealing with
these servers.  I live in a small town so it's not very easy finding MS
Admin's in our area or getting them to come here.


All I did was simply reply stating we use Exchange 2000 and my CEO is fed up
with these outbreaks for MS ALL the time.  It's sickening to have a company
so large like MS that they can't take the time to rewrite a new OS and clean
it up instead of just adding on top of old OS's then finding ALL these
wholes afterwards and paying big bucks that they don't support after so many
years.that's total BS.  If they produce it, they should support for more
than 5-6yrs, instead of companies having to purchase new software so they
can get support from MS.   







-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Hartley [mailto:support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 4:39 PM
To: [ExchangeList]
Subject: [exchangelist] RE: New Poll on

Mike, you also appear to be laying the blame at Microsoft's feet. You should
not do that (but you can) because it was not Microsoft who wrote the worm!
Microsoft did announce the flaw approximately one month earlier and provided
a patch. I, like many others, chose not to install this patch immediately
due to recent flaws in patches that Microsoft have released (and admitted
to). I adopted a wait & see attitude. None of my "business" sites were
affected because I use hardware based firewall/routers (Linux boxes) and I
take the attitude of "lock it down" until it is required. It costs my
clients to have this configuration, but it saved on having to do system
cleanups - so the ROI is proven yet again!

After Nimda last year (average 30 hour cleanups), my business clients don't
get an option - their systems are locked down or they can find someone else.
Again Microsoft did not write Nimda, but it only affected Microsoft

What else are you going to find that will work similarly and give you the
same features as Exchange and Outlook combo and yet still allow the users do
"know" their systems? Yes there are now some viable Linux alternatives, but
if you can't (as SysAdmin) maintain your Microsoft installation, what chance
will there be that you can maintain a brand new operating system /
applications suite without it costing $0000's?


Stephen Hartley


Brisbane - Australia


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