Well, I think everybody has a point about this topic. Anyway, we wont be able to go anywhere talking about it here, in this Exchange List. Microsoft is a company like many others, with great things and lots of problems as well. The difference is its making billions of dollars, and somehow it causes curiosity, angry, love, passion and so on. Lets Microsoft and Linux apart here, and learn a little bit about Exchange, the focus, mine at least. Regards, > Dêniz Feital > GIC - Chiptek / Vésper > Tel 55 11 3489-7730 > Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer > -----Original Message----- From: Scott Van Singel [mailto:svansingel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 10:54 AM To: [ExchangeList] Subject: [exchangelist] RE: Exchange brick level backup - anyone? http://www.MSExchange.org/ I disagree about the gainfully employed. If we could embrace the Linux world and get companies to develop software for Linux, then companies (especially public schools) could actually afford to have the proper amount of staff to support the systems and network. Instead, we have to forks thousands of dollars to M$ for licenses. Yes, Schools get a nice discount on MS products however, Schools do not have to budget to run a network and staff the department to keep it up. I am the director, Network administrator, and systems guy for a public school with 3500 students, 450 staff and faculty,1100 workstations. I have only 2 techs that work for me and they only understand the workstation part. SO, bottom line. Microsoft strings many of along for a ride and makes the end users pay through the nose for it. Sorry about my 2 cents worth. Scott Van Singel (MCP) Technology Director Sturgis Public School 216 Vinewood Ave Sturgis Mi, 49091 Svansingel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Phone: (269) 659-1512 -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Hartley [mailto:shartley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 7:55 PM To: [ExchangeList] Subject: [exchangelist] RE: Exchange brick level backup - anyone? http://www.MSExchange.org/ I think that was a very unkind comment to be made about Bill. After all, if it wasn't for Bill & Microsoft, where would you be living or what sort of car would you be driving? I think that we should all thank Microsoft for keeping us gainfully employed (even though it is sending most of us prematurely grey!) Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Mike Dufoe [mailto:dufoem@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 10:56 AM To: [ExchangeList] Subject: [exchangelist] RE: Exchange brick level backup - anyone? http://www.MSExchange.org/ I agree with your comment Stephen. "it would also be nice to know why Microsoft can't release a stable operating system or why ArcServe doesn't work properly "out of the box". About Microsoft, I was just at their Knowledge website, and when I went to use the pull down menu to select a Product, it was blank, like Bill Gates mind is sometimes.