Hi Mark, I am well aware of your credentials and skills and very much trust your judgment. Do you recommend not even enabling the " select the Netbios " option in the cluster service virtual name? Can you please provide a technet article that explains this in detail? Jose -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Mark Fugatt" <markfu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > http://www.msexchange.org > -------------------------------------------------------I have built many > clusters in a large enterprise, in fact my current client is 140K users and > we > are implementing 6 Windows 2003/Exchange 2003 clusters. > > Mark Fugatt > Dedicated Supportability Engineer (Exchange) > Microsoft Limited > Desk: +44 (0)118 909 5630 > Mobile: +44 (0)7966 858108 > MSN IM: markfu@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Blog: http://blogs.technet.com/mfugatt > Dedicated to proactively supporting Microsoft's enterprise Customers > If you have any feedback about my work, please let either myself or my > manager > Andy Gitsham know at andygi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx or telephone +44 118 909 3233 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jose Medeiros > Sent: 08 June 2006 08:02 > To: exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [ExchangeList] Change private IP on a cluster- In DNS, multiple > computers can be named with the same name > > http://www.msexchange.org > -------------------------------------------------------Hi Jim, > > I am only repeating what I was told when Mike Nash, Paco Cruz and Steven > Ashby > from Microsoft's Technet group flew down and met with the board of my user > group, the NTEA of which I was the Vice President and Postmaster > www.ntea.net. > We used an Imail list server and Fatbrain hosted the meeting shortly after > they > were acquired by Barnes and Noble . During that visit the team mentioned then > that all the content posted to the Technet web site and on the technet CD's > were > maintained by a small group, of course this was in late 2000 and Mike Nash > has > since moved into the security role, and things may have changed. > > I worked for Cisco, IBM, LSI Logic and I can't tell you everything their > products do. Of course I realize that you are an Exchange & ISA expert, but > how > many Production Clusters have you built in a large Enterprise such as > Microsoft? > > Let me go back to my MOC on Clustering to verify the netbios recommendation > in > the course ware, it's been several years. > > Peace, > > Jose > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Harrison" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 6:17 AM > Subject: [ExchangeList] Re: Change private IP on a cluster- In DNS, multiple > computers can be named with the same name > > > > http://www.msexchange.org > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Actually, "..only 5 or 6 people.." is untrue. > > Every CSS engineer has the tools available to them to write KBs. > > Additionally, every product team member has access to these as well > > and all of them are strongly encouraged to make their knowledge public > > through KBs, whitepapers, TechNet, etc., etc. > > > > It's the same argument. > > Name collisions cannot occur if: > > 1. WINS doesn't exist or is built properly (replication, etc.) 2. DNS > > structure is built properly > > > > BTW; I'm "from Microsoft"... > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jose Medeiros > > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 5:28 AM > > To: exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Cc: Medeiros, Jose; douggg@xxxxxxxxxxx; president@xxxxxxxx > > Subject: [ExchangeList] Re: Change private IP on a cluster- In DNS, > > multiple computers can be named with the same name > > > > http://www.msexchange.org > > -------------------------------------------------------Hi Jim, > > > > I agree with you and I do find technet article's that are unclear and > > are missing steps, however much of it is, that Microsoft has only 5 > > or 6 people creating that content and probably do not always test ( > > Or have very limited testing ) what they are listing. > > > > However, this section below makes a lot a sense. If you have a very > > flat domain, you probably would not have an issue. But if you have a > > large World Wide enterprise such as Microsoft, Cisco, Intel, Ford > > Motor Comany, GM, etc, with a very complex network and many DNS sub > > domains and childs, this may be an issue. > > > > ( Please read this sections ) > > " Name collisions cannot occur when you use WINS. In a WINS > > environment, > > > > only one computer can be named SERVERA. In DNS, multiple computers can > > be named SERVERA. For example, one computer may be named > > SERVERA.EUROPE.DOMAIN.COM and another computer may be named > > SERVERA.AMERICA.DOMAIN.COM. If a user who is located in the AMERICA > > domain types \\SERVERA, they connect to SERVERA in the AMERICA domain. > > If a user who is located in the AMERICA domain wants to connect to > > SERVERA in the EUROPE domain, that user must specify the fully > > qualified domain name > > (FQDN) > > SERVERA.EUROPE.DOMAIN.COM. Some programs may only permit entries with > > a maximum of 15 characters for NetBIOS names. These programs may still > > work if a mechanism exists to avoid duplicate host names and if the > > DNS suffix list of domains is provided to all clients." > > > > Any one from Microsoft care to comment on this? > > > > Jose :-) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > -------------------------- > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Harrison" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 5:56 AM > > Subject: [ExchangeList] Re: Change private IP on a cluster- > > Reply-Reply > > > > > >> http://www.msexchange.org > >> ------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Some articles are written with good intent, but bad information. > >> I spend about 10% of my time getting those corrected. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> [mailto:exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jose Medeiros > >> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 10:13 PM > >> To: exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> Subject: [ExchangeList] Change private IP on a cluster- Reply-Reply > >> > >> http://www.msexchange.org > >> -------------------------------------------------------Hi Jim, > >> > >> Are you sure that holds true on a clustered Exchange 2000 server? I > >> recall from my Microsoft 2000 server clustering class at Quickstart > >> Intelligence back in 2001, > >> > > http://www.quickstart.com/courses/course.asp?cat=Windows&type=88&cours > > e= > >> 2087 > >> that the instructor stated that both Exchange 2000 and SQL 2000 > >> clustered was dependent on NETBIOS. Was this changed in a later > >> service pack? > > Why > >> would Microsoft create this article dated:Article ID : 837391 > >> Last Review : March 30, 2006 > >> Revision : 4.0 > >> > >> > >> Jose :-) > >> > >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > >> ----- > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Jim Harrison" > >> To: ; > >> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 10:01 PM > >> Subject: [ExchangeList] Re: Change private IP on a cluster- Reply > >> > >> > >>> http://www.msexchange.org > >>> -------------------------------------------------------Neither one > > had > >> > >>> this dependency. > >>> Exch 2000 runs only on Win2K and Win2K3. > >>> Both of these OS prefer DNS to WINS for name resolution and if your > >>> network structure provides good DNS services, WINS is a non-issue > >>> for Exchange 2K+. > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>> [mailto:exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jose > >>> Medeiros > >>> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 9:56 PM > >>> To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>> Subject: [ExchangeList] Change private IP on a cluster- Reply > >>> > >>> http://www.msexchange.org > >>> -------------------------------------------------------Hi Jim, > >>> > >>> Looks like your post never made it to the Active Dir list. If I > > recall > >>> Exchange 2000 clustered still had dependencies on Wins, and I was > > told > >>> at a > >>> Microsoft Technet event that Exchange 2003 clustered no longer had > >> this > >>> requirement, until I saw the Microsoft article that I pointed out > >>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;837391 . > >>> > >>> Jose > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Jim Harrison" > >>> To: ; > >>> Cc: > >>> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 6:17 AM > >>> Subject: [ExchangeList] Re: Change private IP on a cluster > >>> > >>> > >>>> http://www.msexchange.org > >>>> -------------------------------------------------------837391 is > >>> getting > >>>> changed. > >>>> I'm putting in the technical update today. > >>>> > >>>> It's wrong > >>>> Wrong, wrong, wrong. > >>>> Wrgonggitty-wrong-wrong Wrong! > >>>> > >>>> WINS is *NOT* required for Exch functionality, but proper name > >>>> resolution support in the network *IS* required. If you've built > >> your > >>>> network, name services & clients properly, using a "simple" name > > gets > >>>> you the same response as using FQDN in a "ping" command. > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>>> [mailto:exchangelist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jose > > Medeiros > >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:29 PM > >>>> To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>>> Cc: mike.newell@xxxxxxxxxxxx > >>>> Subject: [ExchangeList] Change private IP on a cluster > >>>> > >>>> http://www.msexchange.org > >>>> -------------------------------------------------------Hi Mike, > >>>> > >>>> Looks like you are going to also have dependencies on Wins and with > >>> the > >>>> MSDTC: > >>>> > >>>> Exchange Server 2003 and Exchange 2000 Server require NetBIOS name > >>>> resolution for full functionality > >>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;837391 > >>>> > >>>> How to configure Microsoft Distributed Transaction Coordinator on a > >>>> Windows Server 2003 cluster > >>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;301600 > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> > >>>> Jose :-) > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> - > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: Jose Medeiros > >>>> To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; exchangelist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>>> Cc: mike.newell@xxxxxxxxxxxx > >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 9:53 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Change private IP on a cluster > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Hi Mike, > >>>> > >>>> I've only had to change a SQL 2000 Active / Active Cluster IP and > >>>> it involves some additional steps for SQL Virtual Names. It's been > >>>> over > >> 5 > >>>> years > >>>> since I built an Exchange 2000 cluster, but I do not recall if > >>> Exchange > >>>> has > >>>> any dependencies (I would probably post this to the Exchange list > > and > >>> I > >>>> am > >>>> cc'ing them as well) > >>>> > >>>> Take a look at : > >>>> Exchange Server 2003 Cluster Configuration Checklist > >>>> > >>> > >> > > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/itsolutions/msit/operations/exchclust > > er > >>>> cklist.mspx?pf=true > >>>> > >>>> Changing the IP address of network adapters in cluster server > >>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/230356/EN-US/ > >>>> > >>>> Or in PDF format at: > >>>> > >>> > >> > > http://www.maned.com/support/knowledge_base/Roundhouse/Recommended_Rea > > di > >>>> ng/Q230356.pdf > >>>> > >>>> Also just in case you ever have to change it on a SQL: > >>>> > >>>> How to change the network IP addresses of SQL Server virtual > >>>> servers http://support.microsoft.com/kb/244980/en-us > >>>> > >>>> Hope this helps, > >>>> > >>>> Sincerely, > >>>> Jose Medeiros > >>>> MCP+I, MCSE, NT4 MCT > >>>> 408-765-0437 Direct > >>>> 408-449-6621 Cell > >>>> > >>> > >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > >>>> -------------------- > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "Mike Newell" > >>>> To: > >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 12:53 PM > >>>> Subject: [ActiveDir] Change private IP on a cluster > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Doh! Didn't mean to let this go without the OT:. Sorry. > >>>> > >>>> ________________________________ > >>>> > >>>> From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Mike Newell > >>>> Sent: Sun 6/4/2006 11:40 AM > >>>> To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>>> Subject: [ActiveDir] Change private IP on a cluster > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Hey, > >>>> I have an Exchange 2003 active/passive cluster on Windows 2003 and > >>>> I need to change the private ip on both nodes. I realize that while > >>>> I'm changing the IP the nodes will not talk to each other and > >>>> likely > > kick > >>>> the passive node off or stop the cluster service for a few minutes > > on > >>>> the passive node. > >>>> > >>>> Is there anything else I will need to do or look out for? I don't > >>>> *think* this is a big deal but since it's a production cluster, and > >>> I've > >>>> never had to do this, I thought I would check before I tried it. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks again. > >>>> > >>>> Mike. > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > List Archives: //www.freelists.org/archives/exchangelist/ > > MSExchange Newsletter: http://www.msexchange.org/pages/newsletter.asp > > MSExchange Articles and Tutorials: > > http://www.msexchange.org/articles_tutorials/ > > MSExchange Blogs: http://blogs.msexchange.org/ > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Visit TechGenix.com for more information about our other sites: > > http://www.techgenix.com > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe visit http://www.msexchange.org/pages/exchangelist.asp > > Report abuse to listadmin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > All mail to and from this domain is GFI-scanned. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > List Archives: //www.freelists.org/archives/exchangelist/ > > MSExchange Newsletter: http://www.msexchange.org/pages/newsletter.asp > > MSExchange Articles and Tutorials: > > http://www.msexchange.org/articles_tutorials/ > > MSExchange Blogs: http://blogs.msexchange.org/ > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Visit TechGenix.com for more information about our other sites: > > http://www.techgenix.com > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe visit http://www.msexchange.org/pages/exchangelist.asp > > Report abuse to listadmin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > List Archives: //www.freelists.org/archives/exchangelist/ > MSExchange Newsletter: http://www.msexchange.org/pages/newsletter.asp > MSExchange Articles and Tutorials: > http://www.msexchange.org/articles_tutorials/ > MSExchange Blogs: http://blogs.msexchange.org/ > ------------------------------------------------------- > Visit TechGenix.com for more information about our other sites: > http://www.techgenix.com > ------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe visit http://www.msexchange.org/pages/exchangelist.asp > Report abuse to listadmin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > ------------------------------------------------------- > List Archives: //www.freelists.org/archives/exchangelist/ > MSExchange Newsletter: http://www.msexchange.org/pages/newsletter.asp > MSExchange Articles and Tutorials: > http://www.msexchange.org/articles_tutorials/ > MSExchange Blogs: http://blogs.msexchange.org/ > ------------------------------------------------------- > Visit TechGenix.com for more information about our other sites: > http://www.techgenix.com > ------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe visit http://www.msexchange.org/pages/exchangelist.asp > Report abuse to listadmin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >