[etni] Re: etni Digest V6 #179
- From: "massad" <debitor@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 15:08:25 +0300 (Jerusalem Daylight Time)
Flats in Beersheva
Ben Summer or anyone out there, my daughter aged 23 is moving to
Beersheva and looking for a patio or garden flat with her boyfriend. She
will be studying at Reidman College in the old part of the city. I used to
live in Tet area but don't know what its like now or Shukun hey - can
anyone tell us where best to look aprt from Ramot or Omer which are further
away
Debbie Gabai
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Date: 06/07/2008 09:03:30
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Subject: etni Digest V6 #179
etni Digest Sat, 05 Jul 2008 Volume: 06 Issue: 179
In This Issue:
[etni] Fw: re: English teachers' issues-the document
[etni] 4 or 5 points - more
[etni] Fw: bagrut "strike"
[etni] Fw: J.Post reaction to Wednesday's article on Bagrut
[etni] Summer Bafrut 2008 - Moed A - Answer Key needed
[etni] bagrut
[etni] Fw: re: J.Post reaction to Wednesday's article on Bag
[etni] Fw: action for bagrut markers
[etni] bagrut marking
[etni] Bagrut markers
[etni] moed B
[etni] we will have to wage our own battles, I'm afraid
[etni] Fw: Barry Speaks at the 'Tidruch' for Bagrut Examiner
[etni] Fw: A naive question
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From: "Ask_Etni" <ask@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: [etni] Fw: re: English teachers' issues-the document
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 10:08:36 +0200
----- Original Message -----
From: Nira Artzy - arnira@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: English teachers' issues-the document
I've read this wonderful document a long time ago. Unfortunately, I still
haven't read any answer from the recipients.
Nira
Sandra wrote:
> I just got an OK from Alumma Evron, so I am attaching the document that
> was
addressed to the pikuah.
> http://www.etni.org/bagrut/work_document.doc
> The tone is a bit aggressive (post strike trauma!) and the points
> mentioned
are not listed acc to order of importance but the content is what counts and
that indeed reflects the reality of our workload .
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 09:54:37 +0300
From: "laurie ornstein" <laurenmadeline@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [etni] 4 or 5 points - more
Hi All,
Let me add to this discussion. It's not only passing the written exam but
the literary requirements and project level are different for 5 points. Can
these borderline pupils complete these curriculum requirements, too? All too
many times these are "neglected" as we sadly know. The kids and parents must
know about these considerations as well.
We always try to push kids up and encourage them to do their best. But not
all good 4 pointers are capable of doing 5 points.
Laurie
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From: "Ask_Etni" <ask@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: [etni] Fw: bagrut "strike"
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 11:39:22 +0200
----- Original Message -----
From: "Judyv" <judyv@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: bagrut "strike"
Hello all and Shabat shalom!
I have (unexpectedly) a great deal of time on my hands at the moment so I
am
doing what I almost never have time to do i.e involve fellow Etniers in my
thoughts about current issues...
Concerning the so-called "strike" and for those who (may ) be entertaining
feelings of guilt, I would like to comfort you with the following:
1) English examiners are NOT striking, we are refraining from undertaking
a
task that has proven to be detrimental to both our health and sanity (and
our families'). We are not striking because we have no contract of
employment with the Min of Ed. This contract is signed on the day of the
tidruch, and we have not signed it yet. Furthermore, each and everyone of
us
can be summarily dismissed if we are unable to live up to the high demands
of marking the English Bagrut exams. Those of you who have already been
fired will surely know that that you are offered no form of compensation
(as
is the norm in cases of dismissal from employment) you are just sent
packing. Therefore I suggest that we should not perceive ourselves as
strikers, but as people who are unwilling to accept the terms of
employment
offered to us. There is a gaping moral divide between the two.
2) Even 'BAGATZ" cannot serve us with a court order to return to work
because we are under no contractual obligation to the Min of Ed. The flip
side of the "we can use, abuse and dispose of you without compensation"
coin
is "we don't choose to be hired under those conditions".
Finally, I was somewhat concerned to read the article in Haaretz which
stated:
"In an apparent attempt to end the strike and reduce backlog, the ministry
decided on a more flexible approach. "The ministry is attentive and aware
of
the evaluators' complaints," a spokesperson for the ministry, Michal
Tzadoky, said. "We are even interested in reexamining the issue. The
ministry regrets to hear that evaluators are not willing to stop the
strike
in spite of the ministry's promises to address their grievances."
This kind of "politicospeak" is not foreign to the Israeli public in
general
and I would respectfully remind the Min of Ed that we English teachers, in
particular, are experts in "reading between the lines" in any language and
the message here is loud and clear:
We will drag this one out in an ad hoc committeee for as long as possible
on
the basis of a wing and a promise, meanwhile get on with your work and
stop
bothering us.
Well my message to them is this:
FAINT HEART NEVER WON FAIR LADY AND PROMISES DON'T GROW PRIMROSES!!!
judyv
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From: "Ask_Etni" <ask@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: [etni] Fw: J.Post reaction to Wednesday's article on Bagrut markers
st
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 20:05:04 +0200
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From: judyastary@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: J.Post reaction to Wednesday's article on Bagrut markers strike
Sir: It constantly amazes me that in a Jewish country education is not
paramount ("English Bagrut exam graders go on strike" July 2) These
dedicated men and women are trying to show the government, the public at
large and , most of all, the parents that the system is short-changing their
children, future leaders of our beloved country.
Norma Kuras, Petach Tikva
Judith Astary
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Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 19:47:17 +0200
From: borisf <borisf@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [etni] Summer Bafrut 2008 - Moed A - Answer Key needed
Dear Etniers,
Could you, please, help me get the answer key of the Summer Bagrut -
Moed A - all the modules? I haven't found it on the ETNI site.
Thanks a lot in advance.
Shavua tov!
Svetlana
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 20:32:03 +0300
From: "aviva shapiro" <shapiroaviva@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [etni] bagrut
Dear fellow teachers,
I think that Judy put it succinctly when she said that it's not actually a
strike in that there is no signed contract It is just that finally the
English teachers are saying ,NO ,we won't work under such conditions. Kol
HaKavod !!! I am one of those who walked away this year and decided
before all this began that I couldn't function under such conditions . .
( traveling twice a week to Kiryat Ono from the far North). I hope that the
Ministry will decide what is best for the students. I hope things work out
,as just like the rest of us I too want our pupils to have their exams
marked *but *I agree that as the system is being run now nobody is getting
a fair deal.
Good luck and let's hope for a change for the better for both
teachers(markers) and students alike.
Aviva
Try and Fail BUT Never Fail to try !!!
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From: "Ask_Etni" <ask@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: [etni] Fw: re: J.Post reaction to Wednesday's article on Bagrut
marker
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 21:29:31 +0200
----- Original Message -----
From: Linda - lsk120@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: J.Post reaction to Wednesday's article on Bagrut markers strike
I am proud to inform you all that this was sent in from my mother! However,
they left out the last line: "Wake up before it's too late!" She is both
shocked and sickened by the teachers' conditions, especially the English
teachers'...
Linda Kuras Mizrahi
Norma wrote:
>Sir: It constantly amazes me that in a Jewish country education is not
paramount ("English Bagrut exam graders go on strike" July 2) These
dedicated men and women are trying to show the government, the public at
large and , most of all, the parents that the system is short-changing their
children, future leaders of our beloved country.
Norma Kuras, Petach Tikva
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From: "Ask_Etni" <ask@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: [etni] Fw: action for bagrut markers
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 22:20:20 +0200
Nature----- Original Message -----
From: Sharon Tzur - sharontzu5@xxxxxxx
Subject: action for bagrut markers
Dear English Teachers and Bagrut Markers:
I have a suggestion. This week is Moed Bet. I suggest that we prepare a
letter to parents that we can distribute to all the students who come in for
Moed Bet. The letter, in Hebrew, would inform the parents that the Bagrut
checking in English has not begun and will not begin until the Michsot are
reduced. We can include the fact that the Vaad Horim Artzi supports us (I
think I read a letter from them on the bagrut marker's site). Parents are
shocked when they hear that we check a minimum of 72 exams a day! The letter
can give the fax of the man alit (Shulamit Amichai, I think) we were told to
write letters to with a suggestion that they also send off faxes.
I also thought that the Ministry could declare that the year grades will be
test grades - however, I think that will create a great outcry, as many
students (probably 1/4 - 1/3) do better on the exam than they do on their
yearly grade - not to mention the students who have no yearly grade
(externi - mishne) and the fact that there has never been a precedent for
throwing out an exam that students already sat for! (During the "lottery"
period, when the yearly grade was counted, the decision was made before the
kids were to sit for the exam.)
Yours,
Sharon Tzur
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Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 22:15:38 +0300
From: Yehudit <elgavi@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [etni] bagrut marking
Just to add my wholehearted support for our stand vis-a vis the
Ministry. We must NOT be persuaded by futile promises of "looking into
the problem" ( or something to that effect) by ministry officials. It's
typical of the reluctance of those in authority to try to get to the
root of the problem - they prefer to find some "ad hoc" solution without
any vision for the future.
As others have stated, we are not on strike, so they cannot take any
legal steps like the labour court in the teachers' strike.
Wishing you all Shavua Tov and Hodesh Tov!
Yehudit
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From: "Ruth" <drorydr1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [etni] Bagrut markers
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 21:21:00 +0200
Judy is quite right; you are not striking, you are refusing to undertake a
job under these conditions. I certainly hope that you will not give in until
these conditions improve, and I don't mean some vague promise from the
ministry to "look into the grievances". Don't demonstrate or burn tyres,
just refuse to sign the contract.
I used to mark Bagrut, and it was considerd well-paid, even though I
sometimes paid 50% income tax.
I know from a friend who worked as a proctor, that she was paid 20 shekels
per hour. I have heard that the Ministry pays the "koach adam" companies 50
shekels per hour. It seems to me that these companies are raking in huge
profits from the tax-payers' money.
Good luck to you, and enjoy your well-deserved holiday!
Ruth Drory
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Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 00:09:06 +0300
From: Brenda <brbitan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [etni] moed B
Hi
Does anyone know when the oral accomodations for the Moed B are going to be
posted? The exam is in only a couple of days and I don't know what is
supposed to be taken off the exams for those students being tested orally.
Thanks.
Brenda
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Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 14:22:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sandra Yosef-Hassidim <hassidim@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [etni] we will have to wage our own battles, I'm afraid
I am not sure if sending a letter to the parents is a good idea. After the
last strike I feel we shouldn't put our hopes on the parents. The press
release by Anat Kanfo is a nice show of support but she does not really
represent the parents. I also remember her being very supportive during the
last strike but her actions had no effect on the parents. They aren't united
We are alone in our struggles. Luckily, this time the work left undone will
definitetely be felt by the people involved and it will have an impact on
the whole system. At the same time the state can't issue court orders to
force us to start marking because we don't officially work for them-yet; we
haven't signed our contracts. So "playing it cool" like we have done up to
now-is a very smart strategy in our case. After all, we are in no hurry.
Would they consider cancelling the tests and taking the year grade as the
final bagrut grade(highly unlikely)-fine with me. They will still
have to face the problem some time-if not this moed, then the next moedim.
Sandra
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From: "Ask_Etni" <ask@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: [etni] Fw: Barry Speaks at the 'Tidruch' for Bagrut Examiners
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 06:48:38 +0200
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Silverberg - barisil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Barry Speaks at the 'Tidruch' for Bagrut Examiners
Dear ETNI community,
I would like to put in my 2 cents worth about the bagrut examiners' action;
more or less what I said to those who were there on Tuesday:
http://www.etni.org/bagrut/Striking_Words.doc
Barry Silverberg
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From: "Ask Etni" <ask@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: [etni] Fw: A naive question
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 08:03:52 +0200
----- Original Message -----
From: byk - byk@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: A naive question
What exactly did the teachers receive, in concrete terms, from the teachers
strike?
Would some bold soul, even, and in this case perhaps justifiably,
anonymously, say what her/his salary was before,and what it is now. And how
many pupils did you have in class this year? What other benfits did you
gain?
Just in thought, in light of the brave stance of the Bagrut markers.
Jennifer Byk
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