----- Original Message ----- From: "Janette Segal" <janjon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: RE: Intelligence or English Just a tiny reminder David- and perhaps other pro -"let's make the English Bagrut an intelligence test" that we are teaching English as a foreign language....if we were teaching English to native speakers I would say to you- absolutely. We should aim to achieve all those goals you described. Have you just forgotten for a moment who are students are? Many of them are quite wonderful, hard working, motivated- because they want to understand soap operas on TV and the words to pop songs. Do you really want them to mainly infer rather than focus on the main idea and supporting details of a text? Nit-picking should not be a primary goal of an English bagrut test for EFL learners. Janette Segal David Hyatt wrote: >Several people on ETNI have been posing the question of "What is being assessed on the Bagrut, intelligence or English". The answer to this question must be both. "English" in its purest form as a communicative tool is being most highly appraised during the oral bagrut. Thus, rightly so, these grades tend to be high. It does not require great intelligence to speak and understand a language. After all, everybody, no matter what their "IQ" level learns how to speak. True, some of us don't have a knack for learning languages, but does this necessarily say something about our intelligence? I know some many very very bright people who have never excelled in English or any other second language. On the other hand, the bagrut written tests assess English and intelligence, at least intelligence in the capacity of a student to infer, to read between the lines, to weigh the weight of a writer's language, opinions and hidden agendas. Teaching our students to be critical readers of language is the crucial goal of all humanities teachers. As teachers we are trying to build discerning, critical thinkers, good and responsible citizens and the medium of language is among the best for achieving that goal. So yes, the higher tests tend to be quite difficult. But frankly I find some of the A test questions to be challenging. This too is how it should be. Just because one doesn't have a broad mastery of English, doesn't mean that one's intelligence (as a reader of texts) shouldn't be measured. Finally, since we are delving so much into the notion of intelligence, I think that we would all agree that test taking is not the sole measure of intelligence, not by any means. There are emotional, spiritual, artistic, business, and physical intelliences (and endless others) that our bagrut tests cannot come close to measuring. As teachers we must be sure our students know that as individuals they are not equivalent to their bagrut grades. To realize the maximum of their "intelligence" they have their whole lives before them... ----------------------------------------------- ** Etni homepage - http://www.etni.org or - http://www.etni.org.il ** ** for help - ask@xxxxxxxx ** ** to post to this list - etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** -----------------------------------------------