[etni] Fw: re: G higher than F

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Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 14:19:14 +0200
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From: ELEANOR ZWEBNER <eleanorz541@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: G higher than F

Jack -- everything you say is true

The differences between my F & G grades are often quite large -- 10 
points! -- I think the main reason is, as you say,  the straightforwardness 
of the   G  questions.

In my opinion, G is a test of English (including reading proficiency) 
whereas F --and E --  are tests of general intelligence, test taking skills 
as well as   reading comprehension skills in English.

We see over and over again the emphasis on TEST TAKING skills being taught 
and being part of the course books  as well as English skills .

Eleanor


Jack wrote:
> I find that the G grades are often higher than F both in the matkonet at 
> our
> school and in the bagrut tests of our pupils. (On a national level I do 
> not
> know if this is true). I'm not referring to magen issues where I agree 
> with
> Renee 100% that discrepancies are built into the system since the Bagrut
> exam grades and the Magen grades are not based on the same criteria.
> The lower F than G grades seems to be a constant and has puzzled me for a
> while.
> I think the reason for this difference is a result of the following:
> The F is the first exam and pupils are nervous as opposed to G which it is
> the last and pupils have already done 2 unseens and 1 composition by this
> time. They know what it is all about under exam conditions by this stage.
> The G is longer by 15 minutes and that seems to add much needed time for
> checking and working at a relaxing pace. I think this is a critical
> difference.
> The G questions and text tend to be more sophisticated but once the main
> idea of the text is grasped, are quite straight forward. Surprisingly, the
> fact that it is less possible to copy the correct answer directly from the
> text serves my pupils well. They use their heads and their own simpler
> English and make fewer grammatical mistakes.
> In F, however, the questions tend to be more niggly and less generalized 
> and
> pupils, not exactly sure of how to answer, rely on the text and rely less 
> on
> their own comprehension.
> I have not checked this theory in any way "scientifically" so I wouldn't 
> be
> surprised if nobody agrees with me.
> Still, my pupils generally do do better at G tests than at F and it is not
> what is expected with the modular system.

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