----- Original Message ----- From: Esther Revivo - estherrv@xxxxxxxxxxx Subject: misc. thoughts First of, THANK YOU DAVID LLOYD and the entire ETNI STAFF for this marvelous forum which allows us to swap "trades of craft," ask for advice as well as let off steam!! Jennifer Byk wrote: " ... the pupils I teach - not all weak, by any means, have trouble negotiating the internet, the language is often too hard, and they haven't, of course , been taught the necessary skills in Hebrew." I only recently moved to the Irgun so have been doing projects. You may call me a "friar" (meaning idiot, not the kind subordinate to the Pope :) but in the long run, I find it saves about 3 weeks of project time when I give my pupils (weak four pointers with a smattering of those between 3 and 4) a few websites that I have chosen for them after they tell me which topic they'd like to write on. (I'll gladly pass on the list of websites I collected last year and this year to those interested.) Within 8 minutes I'll usually find 3 suitable sites outside of dear ole "Wicky." It saves a heck of a lot of time we don't have to spare in class. (I try to steer my very weakest girls to a health related topic like anorexia/ drug or alcohol abuse as teenshealth.org has great articles in Eng. meant for teens which most of our girls can handle.) Jennifer also wrote, "It is often claimed that the Bagrut tests intelligence, not English." Well, the second year after the NBA was first introduced, I was at an in-service course in Beer Sheva when Judy Steiner answered questions from the audience. Someone claimed just what Jennifer mentioned. The response was something like, "You are partially correct." She went on to point out how in the "old" bagrut exams, one needn't have fully understood the text nor question in order to answer questions correctly. (We old timers remember this- how pupils would look for a "key" word that appeared in the question and the text, and copied information they really didn't understand.) So I am glad the "dumbed down" tests of yesteryear are gone, because pupils headed for college will need to use their brain while reading academic articles! The thing I most disagree with from Jennifer's post is, "I'm afraid speaking skills have to take care of themselves." No way Jose! Many of our pupils will have to deal with English speakers on the job and / or in their private lives in future. They MUST be able to communicate albeit with mistakes! Once again I mention having received a 96 on my NY State regents exam after 8 years of Spanish study yet being unable to barely string 2 sentences together!!! We spoke NO Spanish in the classroom; only wrote and did listening comprehension. That is NOT how I want my pupils to end up! However, I emphatically agree with her words, "We can't take upon ourselves to teach all those things which are not being taught in Hebrew. We have 4 hours a week." I almost fainted last week when I heard more cuts are slated to take effect in the realm of Education. What will it take to convince those dunderheads in power that there is nothing more we can pare down???!!!! Have a good week and good luck with final preparations for Moed Aleph- Esther Revivo Ulpanat Tzvia Sedot Negev ----------------------------------------------- ** Etni homepage - http://www.etni.org or - http://www.etni.org.il ** ** for help - ask@xxxxxxxx ** ** to post to this list - etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** -----------------------------------------------