[etni] Re: [FWD: giving school ("magen" grades)

  • From: "Bari Nirenberg" <nirenber@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <ask@xxxxxxxx>, <etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 22:24:20 +0200

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In light of your experience, I thought you would find the following
interesting.  I've copied it from the most recent FAQ page on the anglit.net
site (here - http://www.anglit.net/main/faqs/faqs4.html ):

"The problem about the correlations is NOT because of the grades for the
projects and the literature program.   As you know, for a few years now, the
guidelines from the English Inspectorate demanded that 30% of the school
grade was for the literature and extensive reading programs.   If and when
schools appealed because of problems with the correlations between the
school grades and the Bagrut grades, this was NEVER stated as a reason for
the gaps in the correlations.  Even though pupils may receive higher grades
for their projects or for tasks related to the literature program than they
do on unseen passages, for example, it would still not explain a gap of at
least 20 points for the entire pupil population taking that specific exam."


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> From: "laurie sapir" <lfs22@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject:  giving school ("magen" grades)
> School Grades ("Magen")
> Just like Aviva Shapiro has written, we had a situation 3 years
> ago (?) (the second to the last year of the 'old' bagrut test) where
> many of the 12th grade 4 point students (spread over 2 classes)
> were convinced they didn't have to bother with book reports,
> literature, homework, or even acceptable behavior in the classroom.
> It was just one of those years, where the dominant tone of the class
> was set by those who don't study rather than those who do.
> For a few it became ideological - why put in extra effort into anything
> besides practice tests, which is what our grades should reflect?
> Try to convice students like this that what is not on the bagrut but
> required by the Ministry as part of their final class grade is
> important.
> (This is a huge problem for us, in general, the fact that there are all
> these requirements for their school grade which are unrelated to what
> they are tested on for the bagrut).
> In short, because of the discrepancies between class grades and
> bagrut scores, the students who didn't fulfill bagrut requirements and
> didn't study much that year were the big winners. 90% was their
> bagrut score and 10% was their class grade. The message to me was
> to inflate grades. This infuriates me, lowers standards and sends the
> message to students that they will get what they don't deserve in the
> end anyway. The reply from the Ministry was that there must be
> something wrong with the way we taught.  I think there is something
> wrong with being expected to teach one  set of things and being
> tested on another.

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