[esnr] Re: Get up, stand up
- From: Doklein@xxxxxxxxxxx
- To: <esnr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: 11 Aug 2004 09:24 GMT
hello john,lesley, berrie and all,
first of all many thanks to all for the ungoing very interesting and important
discussion.
i am sorry, i couldn't participate before because of "daily duties".
what do you think of this theoretical point of view:
is there a seperation between "academic" and "clinical" work?
i am clinician for decades , but am academic since my diploma. so i do
understand my every day work as psychotherapist and also as
eeg-biofeedback-trainer as academically done- the differences to academic
research in the usual sense perhaps seems to me, that my "t.o.t.e."-circle is
much shorter, has to be done instantaneously, as patients are suffering now and
i have to help now; clinicians do not have so much time to write articles -
this must be a reason for being under-represented on congresses f.e.; and
clinicians cannot work with "controlls" nor can they isolate variables, they
have to apply wholistic procedures in any moment.
insofar i do see research work and clinical work as to be of same importance -
and fruitful in cooperation, often with synergetic energy.
john, as i told you in winterthur, if wanted, i would like to contribute with
my knowledge to ongoing clinical certification and training considerations. as
berrie wrote, i think too, it is important to consider national conditions.
i do endorse the comments of prof. niels birbaumer too.
all the best
dörte klein
Dipl.-Psychologin/Psychotherapeutin
Hauptstr. 41
D 30974 Wennigsen/Hannover
+49-5103-925149
info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
"Berrie Gerrits" <praktijkgerrits@xxxxxxxxx> schrieb:
> In reply to Lesley Parkinson:
>
> Hello Lesley,
>
> I share you concerns.
> Well, I think the good news is that SAN has just started to slow down its
> rapid development speed. This leaves more time for us, clinicians, to step
> forward.
>
> I think it is up to ourselves, as clinicians (-scientists), to stand up and
> add proposals. It means we have to leave our position of "concerned
> clinician" and act more pro-active and express what we DO want (instead of
> expressing our fears. Like in therapy: from complaint (fear) to solutions,
> from a dependent-state to a state of autonomy). We are responsible for the
> strength of our own position. I'am not only adressing this to you, but also
> to myself (in fact, to be honest, I find it more comfortable to rebell then
> to lead and steer) and all other concerned clinicians.
>
>
> So, I hereby invite you all to drop ideas with regard to the clinician's
> position within SAN and how to make it stronger. Maybe we could have a
> seperate list to discuss these ideas and in this way feed the Educational
> Committee (or other committees). In my peronal opinion there should be room
> for clinicians to exchange protocols, do's and don'ts, building a SAN
> database (just like Marco proposed). I would welcome an European e-mail
> Intervisiongroup (clinicians who consult clinicians by e-mail, an idea which
> has been proposed before by a member from Portugal, I think).
>
> The Educational Committee could elect one of their members to be a moderator
> for all these ideas. So, these ideas could be collected, summarized and
> safed (untill now all beautiful ideas come AND GO, which is a waste of
> energy).
>
> Yet another way could be to participate in the Think Tank meeting in London
> in september. And I hereby would like to make a first contribution to this
> Tank: I think it would be wise if we, SAN, would also think about European
> laws concerning education/membership. In Holland we've just seen several
> lawcases in which local societies have been overruled by European law. It
> will cost a lot of time, energy and money if we built SAN on -legally-
> unsafe ground.
>
>
> Met vriendelijke groet/All the best/Ciao,
>
> Berrie Gerrits
>
> Psychologenpraktijk Gerrits
> Sloetstraat 14
> 6524 AS Nijmegen
> Nederland/Netherlands
> Tel: 024-3235053
> praktijkgerrits@xxxxxxxxx
>
> Psychotherapie/eerstelijnspsychologie/Supervisie
> Neurofeedback en QEEG gecertificeerd (AAPB CR)
> BIG geregistreerd (GZ en psychotherapie)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lesley Parkinson" <lesleyparkinsoncp@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <esnr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 5:01 PM
> Subject: [esnr] Re: FW: SAN
>
>
> > I endorse these comments of Nils.However, I think we need to consider the
> > needs of reserch scientists and of clinicians. At both Udine and
> Winterthur
> > I was struck by how excited some of the academic researchers were to be
> > sharing ideas and information, and presumably SAN will provide further
> > opportunity for that.
> > Of course there will be cross-fertilisation between researchers and
> > clinicians too.
> > A concern I have is that we may still be without a forum for clinicians,
> > even those who are scientist-practitioners.
> > This is in many ways a relatively new area, so I am always keen to share
> > experiences with other clinicians. Currently I am seeing more clients with
> > MTBI, and others with Bipolar Disorder. I am using Neurofeedback and am
> > encouraged by the results. These are two client groups that I have worked
> > with previously, but not using Neurofeedback.
> > I have found other practitioners to share ideas with, but it occurs to me
> > that for scientists peer-review and acceptance is provided through
> > publication in respected journals and conference presentations.
> > Clinicians are perhaps more used to case-practice review, clinical
> > discussion fora and meeting professional CPD requirements, including
> > workshop attendance and incorporating what is learnt into clinical
> practice.
> > I am wondering whether SAN will have a role for these areas for clinicians
> > or whether something else will be needed.
> > Clinical practice topics and issues would not often be able to get past an
> > academic conference committee!
> > Regards to all.
> > Lesley
> >
> > >From: "Gruzelier, John H" <j.gruzelier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >Reply-To: esnr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >To: <esnr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >Subject: [esnr] FW: SAN
> > >Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 09:27:30 +0100
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Prof. Dr. Niels Birbaumer [mailto:niels.birbaumer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > >Sent: 28 June 2004 13:08
> > >To: Gruzelier, John H
> > >Subject: Re: SAN
> > >
> > >
> > >Re: Society of Applied Neuroscience (SAN)
> > >
> > >The foundation of a SAN is a necessary step to integrate research and
> > >application of systemic neuroscience for clinical and non-clinical use.
> > >From self-regulation of brain processes to behavioral technologies to
> alter
> > >brain function (cortical reorganization) controlled experimental research
> > >should be unified in such a society. I enthusiastically welcome such an
> > >initiative and hope for a large and growing membership.
> > >
> > >Prof. Niels Birbaumer
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Prof. Dr. Niels Birbaumer
> > >Institut für Medizinische Psychologie
> > >und Verhaltensneurobiologie
> > >Universität Tübingen
> > >Gartenstr. 29
> > >D-72074 Tübingen
> > >Tel.: 07071 297 4219
> > >Fax: 07071 29 5956
> > >e-mail: niels.birbaumer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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