[esnr] FW: esnr san etc

  • From: "Gruzelier, John H" <j.gruzelier@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <esnr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:22:11 +0100

Posting this Maximilian.  Will ask Joe to contact you about posting on the List.

Would be very keen about Zurich. Alas, only Dietrich Lehmann represents the 
field there, and he is it the Emeritus stage.  However, down the line we may 
persuade some of his pupils, who now have chairs to enter the field, but work 
needs to be done here as they did not come down the road to Winterthur?


-----Original Message-----
From: MT [mailto:neurofeedback@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 22 June 2004 08:37
To: Gruzelier, John H
Subject: esnr san etc

Dear John,
there is unfortunately no way to access the list, for reasons unknown to me.
This is why I adress my message directly to you.
As already discussed in Winterthur, I strongly support Lesley Parkinsons
of being very open for access only to professionals  with an academic
background. This will be the "royal"
way -what I never miss to emphasize- for further implementation
in universities and  greater acceptance, plus the possibility to get
research meeting the standards.
By the way, Zurich has a phantastic opera house. Did you ever think about
Best regards                                        PS. EM, no regrets, the
British team is better! Unfortunately much better!

Maximilian Teicher  Dipl.-Psych.
Psychotherapeut SPV  Psychologe FSP
Praxis fuer Integrative Psychotherapie
Biofeedback und Neurofeedback
Limmatquai 70
CH-8001 Zurich  Switzerland
Tel +41 1 262 85 85

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gruzelier, John H" <>
To: <esnr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 11:04 AM
Subject: [esnr] Re: Training and Certification.

| Thankyou everyone for all the messages that have come in over the weekend.
| We anticipate that it will take a long time to set up Training courses and
Certification.  This is at a very, very early stage.
| We will begin, by holding a week long course on basic training that will
be relevant to all three streams envisaged.  At the same time we are in
discussions with Trondheim.
| Jorge, it was antiticipated that these will be for graduates, in most
cases, and they will be at diploma/masters level. The European diploma
scheme sounds interesting, can you forward details? The SAN concept, in
contrast to E-SNR, clearly should help in strengthening the role of
neurofeedback amongst the scientific and clinical communty and warding off
any form of take over.
| [The BPPS is till alive an kicking, though atracts about 40-50 to its
annual meetings.  I was invited to organise a symposium on biofeedback last
year to which Niels Birbaummer and Herta Flor contributed. Two psychology
departments have since invited me back to speak with the intention of
starting biofeedback reearch.]
| Plase note that the aims to set up Training and Certifiacation will occur
no matter what form the society takes, these aims are independent of the
issues of the Referendum.
| Volunteers to serve on the committee for Training and Certification are
most welcome.
| John
| -----Original Message-----
| From: esnr-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:esnr-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
| Behalf Of Catherine Ruckert
| Sent: 21 June 2004 08:32
| To: esnr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
| Subject: [esnr] Re: Neurofeedback
| Dear List membersm,
| One thing which we cannot regulate with training is ethical behaviour. I
| BCIA certified,  a veteran special educationalist, and an ASHA speech
| pathologist.  Should a patient of mine with an ADHD son request treatment
| for herself, and I suspect there is a psychiatric condition, I would never
| dream of treating her without full medical and psychological evaluations,
| diagnoses and backup.  Clinicial diagnosis and hands on treatment are very
| different in this case. That is an ethical standard.  There are many MD
| PhD practioners who use NFB with no specific education.
| Their standard of practice is certainly lower that mine, so where do we
| the line.  I believe that we are all responsible for knowing our own
| limitations, and for sticking to the highest level of personal and public
| accountability.  As a profession it is the only way we can grow in both
| reputation and recognition.
| Catherine
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