[elky] Re: Words (Non)

  • From: Ray Buck <rbuck@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: elky@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 14:05:11 -0700

See?  See how easily context can have an effect on words?

In the case of the stop sign, the context is implicit. The color of the sign, the octagonal shape, the familiar look of the lettering all provide more than sufficient context. But if you were driving in, say, Spanish Sahara (now known as Western Sahara...look 'em up for yourselves), would signs have the same meaning? To those familiar with the context (the language, the culture, etc.) they would. But don't go looking for a red cross office. It's the green crescent there. Almost like a different planet. I've been in parts of North Africa where the only language that was spoken was Berber, such as the area of Guelmim. Try to buy a quart of oil or a hamburger there. Never happen. Everything was out of context in that case. The Berbers and I had virtually no common ground upon which to establish meaning.

Context doesn't always have to be searched for. In general CULTURE is the context. As I understand things, the place where context needs to be sought out is in the spoken and written word...and I suppose in that new-fangled thing called tele-vision. (It'll never last, nor will the "talkies" or that colored film idea.)

However, when one strays from strict statements of fact (or presumed fact) and ventures into the area of description, abstract concepts, philosophy, art, meaning...well, you get the picture (a contextual reference in itself)...then the waters get muddied, there are only shades of gray and we have horses of entirely different color. These phrases are all allegorical or metaphors that require contextual understanding. None of them could stand on their own with meaning. A stop sign is a different (forgive me) animal altogether. It can and DOES stand on its own with meaning since our culture provides it.

r


At 01:07 PM 2/7/2010, you wrote:
Correction, I stupidly left out a word in editing. I meant: "I hope you don't hesitate to look for context in the next stop sign you encounter."

My profound apologies.

Rick Draganowski
(Soli Deo Gloria)

----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:dragan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Rick Draganowski
To: <mailto:elky@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>elky@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 11:49 AM
Subject: [elky] Re: Words (Non)

Nope, same word, it is just that the illiterates who write for 'The Simpsons' had forgotten the spelling.

I hope you hesitate to look for context in the next stop sign you encounter.

Rick Draganowski
(Soli Deo Gloria)

----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:rbuck@xxxxxxxxxxxx>Ray Buck
To: <mailto:elky@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>elky@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 10:43 AM
Subject: [elky] Re: Words (Non)

Nope. Different word. One I'm fairly sure you're not familiar with, nor have you heard it in its original context. As a disclaimer, I'll state that I can't claim to have heard it more than once, since it originated on the tv cartoon series, "The Simpsons." I only watched one episode of it. Ever.

However, it's a demonstration that context is important, no. essential to understanding the full meaning of words. Period. I'll leave with a quote from Samuel Clemons (Mark Twain) "Loyalty to petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul."

Here's an interesting riddle that could be a koan: if I refuse to acknowledge that people or things can have more than one name, does that mean that Mark Twain's writings don't exist if I choose to know him only as Samuel Clemens?

Meditation upon that may be harmful to your sanity. Use liquid cooling on your CPUs.

r


At 11:24 AM 2/7/2010, you wrote:


The word existed even when I was a child long ago. But then it was spelled Duh. American slang is fun but outside of rational communication. More of a cultural symbolism than a means of discussion.

Like, you know, duh, you know.

Rick Draganowski
(Soli Deo Gloria)

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From: <mailto:STILLFRANKSFAULT@xxxxxxx>STILLFRANKSFAULT@xxxxxxx
To: <mailto:elky@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>elky@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 8:04 AM
Subject: [elky] Re: Words (Non)

That's true even (D'OH) is in there now.


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In a message dated 2/7/2010 9:21:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ladams21@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
I doubt there was much computer games being played in 1350. I rest my case.
Gaming is gambling.
Rick Draganowski
(Soli Deo Gloria)

           Yes but it isn't 1350 and the meanings of words change to adapt
to the current spoken and written language. The dictionary is not set in
stone it's constantly being updated by having words removed and added. Not
enough are removed though.

            Robert Adams
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