I had 2 versions of the sunset shot ... one with the mirror in focus, one with the mirror out of focus. To me, the one with the mirror in focus ... and thus, the sunset images OUT of focus ... was a bit more ... interesting/wistful/mysterious. Thus, I kept that one. And, yes, those pics were taken while I was driving.... I won't take pics while I'm driving if a lot of traffic is around. With few cars/trucks around, I've become good at it ... practicing a lot this summer while driving my MCs on the backroads west of Elgin. Ray ... I sure hope you give it a try ... maybe a few of each scenario ... to see which photo works best on the salt..... Cort | 37.m.IL.pigValve.pacemaker | 5 Monte Carlos + 1 Caprice Classic |* 06/2011.RT=us66+NW USA* MCs.CC + CHD.models.HO.legos.RadioShows + RoadTrips.us66 = http://www.chevyasylum.com/cort "Will I be merry or will I be blue?" ... Deborah Allen ... 'Rockin' Little Christmas' -----Original Message----- From: STILLFRANKSFAULT <STILLFRANKSFAULT@xxxxxxx> To: elky <elky@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wed, Nov 24, 2010 6:58 am Subject: [elky] Re: Sunsets @ Night Photo shop the mirror image? Smoky Mt. Frank In a message dated 11/24/2010 11:15:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rbuck@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes: You're right. I've used it a coupla times, but not very often. It's a kool effect and can be used very well on the salt. Imagine part of the shot showing the white salt and the other showing the mountains bathed in "donzerlylight." I'll have to work on that. I guess shot from the driver's seat would be one option and shot from the rear quarter of the car with a long lens would be another. Depth-of-field would get to be an issue, though. I need to test this to solidify it in my own mind: when you shoot something in a mirror, is the focus on the mirror surface or on the actual distance to the subject? Reading up on it, everything sez that it's the actual distance, so in the image in the link, the mirror is sharp, but the sunset in it is out of focus, as is the landscape in front of it. I wouldn't wanna do it while driving (takes too many hands and eyes and I can just imagine my Burb upside-down in a ditch and me trying to explain depth-of-field to a cop) but in a static situation, it'd be fine. r On 11/24/2010 6:28 AM, STILLFRANKSFAULT@xxxxxxx wrote: I may have said this before, Ray this type of photo, the rearview mirror shot, can set up some real interesting (artsy) shots. Two different subject matter, or a different twist on the same one. Depending on your skills this is an area I think you should try to explore this style. Example: Full view car on the salt, pit crew in the mirror. I know lighting would be a bear but maybe you could insert the photo of the crew into the mirror later. ????????? Might be a style that sells, it's different. Food for thought. Smoky Mt. Frank In a message dated 11/23/2010 12:38:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, printces@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes: http://lh5.ggpht.com/_8IKQluy-9ok/S1-3O24-vwI/AAAAAAAADNM/xMpFHLj0TVc/1030_091809d14_NE_sunset.jpg