Thanks Jim, it's hard to explain but the property line, and the lay of the land makes it difficult. I'll just leave the risk to someone else. -Smoky Mt Frank- In a message dated 4/16/2010 11:15:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jdos@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: You look good on that seat Frank. The trick is simply to go up and down the hills, not across ‘em. Or a bigger wider tractor.. J Jim