Broken, because all France had to do was hire Spanish or Russian fleets to
unload French corps in London, free of charge, without GB being able to do
anything about it while at peace with other nations, and get his
unconditional. Is there a similar case with your supply so that it is
broken the other way?
Also, in the fleet example, hostile TROOPS are being carried. In your
example, supply - not military forces - are carried.
Everyone, please vote so that we move on.
On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 6:20 PM Yannis Sykamias <ysykamias@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I agree that the game might be broken if this stands but in the opposite
direction! 😛
7.4.2.1 PAYING FOR DEPOT SUPPLY: Any corps in a depot area or which can
trace an unblocked route to a depot may use depot supply. Besieged port
city garrisons (regardless of size) may also use depot supply (see 7.4.3
and 7.4.4). The costs for all corps and separate garrisons are summed and
any fraction rounded up, that amount then being deducted from that major
power's current monetary total. A major power may not use depot supply for
a corps if it doesn't have enough money to pay the cost and such corps must
instead forage for supply.
There is no definition of an unblocked route but if two nations are at war
then it would make sense to block any supply targeting your enemy
regardless of the supply source.
Why you consider attacking a neutral fleet that carries enemy troops
logical? Do you believe that the enemy troops are sitting on the deck with
t-shirts stating their nationality and intention? 😉
To me it is the same issue and since it is allowed in naval it should be
similar to land.
I would like to hear the opinion of the other group members though.
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*Sent:* Monday, April 1, 2019 21:16
*To:* eiagreek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [eiagreek] Re: Some questions
1. if you found something in the rules, by all means, post it here,
otherwise, how do you explain that you know the destination of a convoy,
and you intercept it as well without being at war? It made sense to me when
it was French (with which you are at war and care not for the destination -
you just stop it) but it does not make sense to me when it is a friendly
force. The only case I could find that clearly opposes this logic
(attacking a neutral/friendly force) is when a neutral fleet carries enemy
corps, but there the reasoning is obvious, the game is broken otherwise.
2. No off course, no need to pay costs in that case, since your movement
is not complete. Try "part 1", "part 2"
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On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 9:04 PM Yannis Sykamias <ysykamias@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I am not sure I agree with the case of Spanish supply on French troops
given that the destination is an enemy one but in any case we may discuss.
Regarding my second question I am fine with playing corps by corps
however in this case I will not post any supply costs until all moves are
fully completed in order not to reveal potential intention to move further
or not. Agreed?
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behalf of Makis Xiroyannis <makis.xiroyannis@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Monday, April 1, 2019 18:57
*To:* eiagreek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [eiagreek] Re: Some questions
*One more clarification can Prussian corps block supply from Spanish
depot to French troops? *
Again not sure, but unless in Prussian territory, I don't think so.
Prussia is not at war with Spain, they would not intercept Spanish convoys.
*Last, given that we will have many moves some of which might move
through garrisoned depots, how do we plan to play this?*
*Corps by corps?*
*Country by country?*
*Do we move stacks on area by area basis wait for a decision from the
depot owner and then move on???*
Play country-by-country. Movement is always assumed to be corps-by-corps
even when we move stacks. When there is a corps moving that enemy decision
is required before further movement, note it on the map so that the
opponent can reply. Then continue movement from there.
If the decision affects more than one move, wait for that then continue
with your remaining moves.
On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 6:32 PM Yannis Sykamias <ysykamias@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Given that no one else replied on this I assume we are all on the same
page.
One more clarification can Prussian corps block supply from Spanish
depot to French troops?
Last, given that we will have many moves some of which might move
through garrisoned depots, how do we plan to play this?
Corps by corps?
Country by country?
Do we move stacks on area by area basis wait for a decision from the
depot owner and then move on???
I am just asking in order to know how to prepare the cb files.
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*Sent:* Thursday, March 28, 2019 20:41
*To:* eiagreek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [eiagreek] Re: Some questions
Except his 1st paragraph i agree with Makis 😛
apologies from my side as well
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*Sent:* Thursday, March 28, 2019 7:45:22 PM
*To:* eiagreek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [eiagreek] Re: Some questions
*Apologies for the prolonged delay of this turn but day to day issues as
well as synchronization of communication among 4 people are not always
combining... *
You are waking us out of our slumber. Expect heavy losses.
*Assuming Prussia enters a location where France and Spain both have
armies. Is the Spanish army requested to immediately leave the battlefield
(or declare war if feasible) or it has the option to remain in the area and
retire behind the city walls (if this is feasible). *
The rules say(7.3.8.4): "Must now leave the area, moving to any
adjacent area" I don't think retiring behind walls is included.
*The opposite scenario, Spain enters an area where Prussian and British
forces are located. Do the Prussians need to leave the area if the British
decide to retire behind the city walls (assuming of course that this is
feasible)? *
Yes because we are at step 4 at this stage(7.3.8.4), before step
7(7.3.8.7) when we are preparing for battle, and at THAT stage the defender
has the option "withdraw behind walls"
*What happens if a Prussian corps sieges Namur (garrisoned both by
french and Spanish forces) ? What is the forage value that France will roll
in Namur (currently there are 5 Spanish factors and 1 French) in a city
with 3 spires. *
See 10.3.3 Spanish forces immediately surrender and may be redeployed
during next reinforcement. French garrison forages and fights alone.
*Can Prussian corps block supply leading to Spanish forces if they are
originated from French depots? *
Don't remember a specific rule on it, but it makes sense that Prussia
blocks supply since wagons are French and cannot move over hostile corps
for whatever reason.
if anyone has a different understanding on any of the above please say
so.
M.
On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 6:09 PM Yannis Sykamias <ysykamias@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Apologies for the prolonged delay of this turn but day to day issues as
well as synchronization of communication among 4 people are not always
combining...
Some questions to the group in order to clarify in advance some issues:
All issues occur in the case Spain or Prussia (respectively) are engaged
in battle with other nations' armies present in the area.
Assuming Prussia enters a location where France and Spain both have
armies. Is the Spanish army requested to immediately leave the battlefield
(or declare war if feasible) or it has the option to remain in the area and
retire behind the city walls (if this is feasible).
The opposite scenario, Spain enters an area where Prussian and British
forces are located. Do the Prussians need to leave the area if the British
decide to retire behind the city walls (assuming of course that this is
feasible)?
What happens if a Prussian corps sieges Namur (garrisoned both by french
and Spanish forces) ? What is the forage value that France will roll in
Namur (currently there are 5 Spanish factors and 1 French) in a city with 3
spires.
Can Prussian corps block supply leading to Spanish forces if they are
originated from French depots?
Thank you!
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