Good morning guys!
Ok, please cast your vote in order to close this issue and Dimitris (R) may
upload his cleanup file!
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From: eiagreek-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <eiagreek-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf
of T. B. <scotland_above_all@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, October 1, 2017 3:14:49 PM
To: eiagreek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [eiagreek] Re: Loremaster's view on the mater of retreats
Makis, Tyron and myself are for retreat Towards Riga.
Giannis is for retreat to an open area adj. to Koenigsberg.
Von Dimitris, Dimitri and Laertes please speak up so we can move on.
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From: eiagreek-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <eiagreek-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf
of Yannis Sykamias <ysykamias@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: 30 September 2017 22:36:34
To: eiagreek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [eiagreek] Re: Loremaster's view on the mater of retreats
It is a very nice book Tiron!
Tiron not only depots under siege but depots out of a valid supply chain should
be excluded in order to have a more realistic interpretation of this rule, this
is up to us to decide if we wish.
However, currently Prussia moved his forces in a specific manner in order to
have the option to retreat then according to what the rules currently write.
Interpreting the rules as they are written and how we want to apply then might
be two different things! 😉
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From: Tiron <strategija@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:strategija@xxxxxxxxx>>
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 20:59
Subject: [eiagreek] Re: Loremaster's view on the mater of retreats
To: <eiagreek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:eiagreek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
This reminds me, I always wanted to read Xenophobe's Anabasis.
The critical issue is at point number 3.
Once the retreating corps is at Koenigsberg it has to move again. If it moves
again it is moving AWAY from the closes depot, and this is completely against
the rules.
Since the retreat has to TOWARDS the depot and not away from depot we have to
see what is the next despot that would satisfy this condition.
The only depot the corps can move towards after Koenigsberg is the one at Riga.
So the only logical step left is to adopt the next closest depot and move
towards there.
Personally I would not vote to exclude the depot under siege, in future we
might have a similar situation but no enemy corps present to force further
movement.
On September 30, 2017 7:16:16 PM CEST, Makis Xiroyannis
<makis.xiroyannis@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:makis.xiroyannis@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
If it is occupied then it is up to the player who retreats the corps to place
them in the closest distance from that depot.
and where did you find this part?
As Tiron said, retreat must every time be towards the closest depot.
7.5.2.10.3.1: All retreats must be into an adjacent land area that is closest
(any closest area, if several qualify equally)to the nearest depot of any
nationality in the losing forceforce, or if none is on the map, towards that
force's nearest controlled national capital city.
Correct? Now lets take it it step by step, and lets agree for example's sake
that Koningsberg is the closest.
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1. First retreat, corps retreats to east prussia. We all agree it is how it
should be. Bugger, the area is occupied. According to the rules, it retreats
once more.
2. Second retreat the Russian corps retreats to Koningsberg. Bugger, there is a
hostile corps again. According to the rules, it retreats once more.
3. Time for third retreat: Where does it go? if it retreats to an empty area
around Koningsberg then it no longer retreats towards the closest depot. And
this is not permitted by the rules.
Therefore
either we re-establish a new "closest" depot from there, and continue the
retreat as desribed in the rules, or we assume for this reason that depots in
cities under siege were not supposed to satisfy the retreat rule in the first
place! Why? Because it is simply impossible, no matter the number of retreats
for a corps to actually reach an under siege depot, and will at some point be
forced to conflict with the rule "always retreat to the closest depot"
In both of the above "either" cases, the Russian corps must continue towards
Riga. A hostile French corps is there, so again it retreats once more.
And so it happens and we have a new march of the 10,000, a glorious retreat
into hostile territory :)
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Thousand_(Greek_mercenaries)
On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 7:37 PM, Yannis Sykamias
<ysykamias@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ysykamias@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Apologies loremaster for questioning your opinion, but where do the rules
mention that if the closest depot is occupied then they should move to the next
depot?
I agree with your view on the rules and the realism in the game, but in this
case there is no reference for unoccupied depot at all or repeating this
process to another depot!
If for example there was another Russian depot three districts away south from
Danzig then what could happen in this case?
I believe that the rules say just go to the closest friendly depot. If it is
occupied then it is up to the player who retreats the corps to place them in
the closest distance from that depot.
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<eiagreek-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:eiagreek-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> on behalf
of T. B. <scotland_above_all@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:scotland_above_all@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 6:51:18 PM
To: eiagreek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:eiagreek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [eiagreek] Loremaster's view on the mater of retreats
After browsing through the countless mails under four different subjects (at
least there is no File Uploaded topic :P), it's time for the Loremaster to
speak.
The rules are clear.
The closest depot from Danzig is in Koenigsberg and the shortest way to reach
it is through the East Prussian area occupied by a Prussian corps east of
Danzig. Since it is occupied, it then moves into Koenigsberg which is also
occupied by enemy corps.
Now (repeating the same process) the closest depot to Koenigsberg is in Riga
and the shortest way there is through the area directly North of Koenigsberg.
Since that area is also occupied by the enemy (Prussian controlled French
corps) the Russian corps retreats one more area to the North. That is the one
directly below (South-West to be precise) Riga. There it's journey ends...
That's my 2c. For reasons I have mentioned multiple times in the past, I am not
a big fan of house rules and realism is not as straitfoward as it may seem.
Where my opinion leads us and who shares the frame of mind I know not but at
least I've answered the call of duty :P
