Tiron has them almost ready, I have seen the files on Sunday. Small changes
were underway, I thought it would be ready yesterday, it will probably be
today. No need for one more turn before transition, he has already placed
everything on board!
On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 12:11 PM Laertes Papaspyrou <
dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
So, do we have a timeline for the CB transition? Is there anything we can
do from our side to help? Shall we do one more turn, since I guess we will
break for Easter anyway?
On Friday, 12 April 2019, 16:19:02 EEST, Yannis Sykamias <
ysykamias@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
i agree on Makis' proposals.
Since we have some spare time do you want to discuss now the issue with
the depot garrison and whether it is assumed as a city garrison as well?
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*From:* eiagreek-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <eiagreek-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on
behalf of Makis Xiroyannis <makis.xiroyannis@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Friday, April 12, 2019 13:50
*Cc:* eiagreek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [eiagreek] Re: Fwd: Re: turnaround issue
I sum this up
- we change CB files so that we can all touch everything and anyone can
make a correction
- we post combined files when possible, for example, reinforcements &
naval, naval & land etc. This is for speed only and *never changes the
sequence of the game*. So if for example someone posts his
reinforcements, but sees in political phase than he was Dowed by someone
else, he has every right to change the reinforcement file he already
posted; in fact, he can change everything in his political as well after
the DoW.
- we keep a limit of 48 hours per country when it is our time to play.
Combined moves multiply this by the number of countries combining. We try
to take into account RL factors, for example, that we will be away during
the weekend.
- if we cannot keep this 'limit' for real life reasons, we just inform
everyone about it. We will still have delays for real life reasons, but we
should not keep our co-players in the dark - for example 1 week passing by
with no input what's happening.
- if, after everything, it is simply not possible to play for a while for
whatever reasons, we allow an ally to play for us for a while, to keep the
game flowing
The above should be more than enough to have a reasonably paced game. We
have been playing for 2.5 real-life years, almost completing 5 gaming
years. Let's not make this game a 5 RL years one :)
On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 4:11 PM Yannis Sykamias <ysykamias@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
i am fine both with the map and the updated cb.
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*From:* eiagreek-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <eiagreek-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on
behalf of Makis Xiroyannis <makis.xiroyannis@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Friday, April 5, 2019 22:03
*To:* eiagreek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [eiagreek] Re: Fwd: Re: turnaround issue
we don't have to change if we are cool with this one. The other map is the
same, only with a unique number on each territory (see attached)
On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 9:38 PM Dimitris Stavr. <poliorkitis@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Good idea Tiron. I think too it can help.
I'm used of this map but no problem for any other
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*From:* eiagreek-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <eiagreek-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on
behalf of Makis Xiroyannis <makis.xiroyannis@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Friday, April 5, 2019 7:32:30 PM
*To:* eiagreek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [eiagreek] Re: Fwd: Re: turnaround issue
I like this solution a lot. Corps are still hidden, but anyone can move
them, and for simple stuff you need only reply by email on your phone, no
uploads needed.
also, maybe it is a chance to use the numerical map? or are you ok with
this one?
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On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 7:13 PM Tiron <strategija@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Like I mentioned on Trello, my experience is that playing with Cyberboard
is always slow because the game is always waiting for someone to move the
pieces in sequence.
I would propose to build a new CB file where everyone can move any piece
on the map, even removing pieces form the map.
With a TO DO list like we already have on top in trello that would speed
up as anyone can keep the game up-to-date and if a player makes just a
small change he can add it to TO DO list. For example in naval phase
Britain moves only one fleet, it is just to send an email to the group or
add it to TO DO list and anyone doing a turn later can move it. But it
would also help with corps removal, after battle victor is rolling and
right after rolling he can move the defeated army in withdrawal, etc. It
would add some flexibility in keeping the CB file but allowing to also play
outside it.
The corps back side would still be invisible to anyone but the country
player so the corps identification remains secret.
That would mean we would have to place our corps locations again but it
should be a 5 minute job, I can do all other markers.
On 5.4.2019. 18:01, Makis Xiroyannis wrote:
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From: * Makis Xiroyannis* <makis.xiroyannis@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Παρ, 5 Απρ 2019, 19:00
Subject: Re: [eiagreek] Re: turnaround issue
To: ioannis sikamias <ysykamias@xxxxxxxxxxx>
I believe Tiron already has a solution to this. Tiron, would you like to
say more ?
Στις Παρ, 5 Απρ 2019, 18:41 ο χρήστης Yannis Sykamias <
ysykamias@xxxxxxxxxxx> έγραψε:
I am fine as well but we need to overcome the practical issue of playing
an ally’s turn.
First we need his agreement and then we need the cb file. No objection for
me though.
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*From:* eiagreek-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <eiagreek-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on
behalf of Dimitris Stavr. <poliorkitis@xxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Friday, April 5, 2019 6:29:50 PM
*To:* Makis Xiroyannis; eiagreek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [eiagreek] Re: turnaround issue
i'm perfectly fine with 1-5, and i'll do my best to comply in the future
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*From:* eiagreek-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <eiagreek-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on
behalf of Makis Xiroyannis <makis.xiroyannis@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Friday, April 5, 2019 17:57
*To:* eiagreek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [eiagreek] turnaround issue
Gentlemen,
Delays in posting a turn result in a lot of displeasure. When we finish
our current turn (so that we don't delay the current one further) we need
to discuss it. It is a fact that we cannot play this game with "real life"
turnaround, we can't have 1 month per turn. It is also a fact that there is
real life in between and shit happens to everyone at times. I have in the
past commented that when someone is not available for real life reasons,
one of his allies should do his turn so that we do not all delay. So far I
believe only me has done this once, when Turkey was away for 1 week. I am
perfectly fine for someone else to play France when I am occupied with
real-life issues, probably we all feel the same since the game immediately
falls rapidly in importance when there are other priorities.
Some suggestions to speed up
1. If there are no declarations of war, we skip the political step and
just announce alliances and combined moves. There is not much at this stage
to worth waiting a couple of days.
2. Post reinforcements together with naval when you can (unless GB wants
to play last or there is a surprise planned)
3. Having done that, the truth is that it is usually the land step that
takes ages. Since perfect cooperation is not always possible (or as a
matter of fact, historical) give a speed limit of 48 hours per player in
the combined move. That means a 4 player alliance should have posted
their land phase in a max of 8 days.
4. If you are planning to move away for the weekend or some other time,
you know that in advance, so post your move in advance so that game can
continue on weekends. Some people even prefer playing on weekends since
they have more free time
5. If you are going to be away for more than 2 days, let us know. Very few
people do this. It is just courtesy but it helps, as sometimes it is not
the actual delay but the fact that we DONT KNOW what hurts. If we know for
example Makis is ill is abroad this week and returns on Sunday, we know not
to expect a turn from him until then, or Makis asks Spain to do his turn.
I feel like I have said some of the above before in posts or 1 to 1
discussion. We don't need more rules, just to keep the ones we have
discussed.
We know when it is dragging too long. We all feel it. Players responsible
should make an effort to speed up, even at the cost of perfect gameplay. I
much more respect that, than a flawless turn. When I played the game as a
board game, you can't imagine how many mistakes were happening every time,
especially from allied/combined moves. But it was part of the game. You
have a courtesy time limit when people are standing looking at you while
you play across a map in an evening. Should not be that hard to make
something similar here. We all agreed that we check our emails daily in
order to join this game.
You have anything else in mind that we can do to improve this?
M.
Yes, me! Not sure how more clear do I need to make it. I dont want to play
a game I need wait 2-4 weeks every time for others to play and I play in
one day. Simple as that. And it is not the first time this has happened. I
guess I need to repeat my disclaimer, I dont blame anyone, but unless we
can find some middle ground, I'm not interested in continuing this game.
And believe me, the only reason is that I really like the game, which makes
me want to play more. Just getting a fix once a month is not good enough...
On Thursday, 4 April 2019, 13:51:49 EEST, Dimitris Stavr. <
poliorkitis@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
fair point from Laertis
Me and all other involved in this delay, have already apologized.
it is something that made ME to feel like Laertis as well.
if for ANY reason anyone thinks we should discuss for the continuation of
the game then let's do it. straight and clear.
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