[eclipse-arduino-dev] Re: arduino eclipse plugin

  • From: Jan Baeyens <jan@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: eclipse-arduino-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 21:05:40 +0200

I feel the same. Whatever the name, why change the logo?


Op 19/05/2016 om 19:25 schreef Wim Jongman:

The logo and splash are already settled thanks to you.


On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Marcelo Limori <x4j7h32m@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:x4j7h32m@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

    My two:

    Micro/u/MCU Buddy
    Omega IDE - seeing as transistor values are measured in ohms...
    (and I don't have to come up with a new logo :D )

    2016-05-19 12:28 GMT-03:00 Jan Baeyens <jan@xxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:jan@xxxxxxxxxx>>:

        Sloeber (Software Library to program Open Electronic Boards in
        an Eclipse Runtime)

        brilliant :-) but shouldn't it be SLOEBER as it is an
        abbreviation?

        For me 2 for Sloeber (however it is written) and 1 for eclino


        Op 19/05/2016 om 16:56 schreef Wim Jongman:
        ROFL. But seriously, let's stop posting random words.
        Everyone can post two names. Then we can vote for the names
        where everyone can give three points. Either 1 point to three
        different names or more points to a specific name.

        I propose (until someone reclaims it):

        Sloeber (Software Library to program Open Electronic Boards
        in an Eclipse Runtime)
        Eclino (Eclipse Arduino,  Thanks Roberto ;)




        On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Roberto Lo Giacco
        <rlogiacco@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rlogiacco@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

            I do like Sloeber...... sounds /unique/... I don't know
            what it means, but I like the way it sounds... at least
            the way I pronounce it, which is practically muting out
            the /e/ in the /oe/ part.

            Also, what about completely different names:
            * Lettuce (it's fresh!)
            * Seven (my favorite number)
            * Neutrino (you know....)
            * Gluon (it's cool, it's gluish)
            * Charge (yeah, give me some!)
            * BitCharge (that's even more soft-ware)
            * NRG (pronounced as energy.... /let's power up the
            firmware the development/ as motto)
            * Mugello (motorbike famous circuit, just because I like
            motorbikes....)

            I'm not personally excited by eclino, consider my vote as
            a 0 (not a +1, not a -1) :-D

            Roberto

            On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Jan Baeyens
            <jan@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jan@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

                I don't think calling the software EvilCreature or EC
                or Sloeber is a good idea.

                For me we are still at eclino


                Op 19/05/2016 om 13:45 schreef Roberto Lo Giacco:
                I'm one of those who get really attached to
                animals... I feel sorry for your loss...

                I agree about naming the software after your evil
                creature... If it's one of those unpronounceable
                Nordic names, EC or EvilCreature is fine with me!

                Il giovedì 19 maggio 2016, Jan Baeyens
                <jan@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jan@xxxxxxxxxx>> ha scritto:

                    That is 3 votes for eclino

                    Marcelo, do you like eclino? (don't feel
                    pressured to say yes.) ;-)


                    Evil creature has been going to the doctor last
                    month every week for antibiotics. Then all was
                    ok and then back to skinny cat. So I put her at
                    the doctor for observation and anti biotic. The
                    doctor called this morning to tell me evil
                    creature has "cat aids".

                    After internal discussion we decided to end the
                    pain of "evil creature"


                    Op 19/05/2016 om 13:19 schreef Wim Jongman:
                    Dah, you stabbed her once to many did you?

                    I like *Eclino*

                    Everything with yam is yaml alike

                    On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Jan Baeyens
                    <jan@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jan@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

                        yamIDE (yet another mcu IDE)

                        For those interested. With pain in the
                        hart, "Evil creature" is no longer.


                        Op 18/05/2016 om 23:36 schreef Wim Jongman:
                        Totally different industry, should not be
                        a problem.

                        Cheers,

                        Wim

                        On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 9:07 PM, Jan
                        Baeyens <jan@xxxxxxxxxx
                        <mailto:jan@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

                            I like Eclino as well.

                            unfortunately google does return quite
                            some hits on it.


                            Op 18/05/2016 om 20:44 schreef Roberto
                            Lo Giacco:
                            :-) No
                            Arduclipse OR Eclino

                            On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 8:43 PM, Wim
                            Jongman <wim.jongman@xxxxxxxxx
                            <mailto:wim.jongman@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

                                *ArduinoEclipse*
                                *EclipseArduino
                                *


                                Arduclipseclino?





                                On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 8:22 PM,
                                Roberto Lo Giacco
                                <rlogiacco@xxxxxxxxx
                                <mailto:rlogiacco@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

                                    *ArduinoEclipse*
                                    *EclipseArduino
                                    *

                                    On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 7:39
                                    PM, Marcelo Limori
                                    <x4j7h32m@xxxxxxxxx
                                    <mailto:x4j7h32m@xxxxxxxxx>>
                                    wrote:

                                        And you didn't see the
                                        list I came up with. :D

                                        2016-05-18 14:38
                                        GMT-03:00 Jan Baeyens
                                        <jan@xxxxxxxxxx
                                        <mailto:jan@xxxxxxxxxx>>:

                                            rofl

                                            Sounds like most
                                            names I read are crap ;-)


                                            Op 18/05/2016 om
                                            19:11 schreef Marcelo
                                            Limori:
                                            Maybe you could ask
                                            on the Arduino
                                            forums. Or throw a
                                            small contest
                                            perhaps. That way
                                            you get ideas and
                                            promote the thing at
                                            the same time.

                                            2016-05-18 12:21
                                            GMT-03:00 Jan
                                            Baeyens
                                            <jan@xxxxxxxxxx
                                            <mailto:jan@xxxxxxxxxx>>:

                                                brilIDE
                                                (briljant ide)

                                                Op 18/05/2016 om
                                                13:15 schreef
                                                Wim Jongman:


                                                Solide -
                                                Soldering, IDE
                                                and quality

                                                On Wed, May 18,
                                                2016 at 11:11
                                                AM, Roberto Lo
                                                Giacco
                                                <rlogiacco@xxxxxxxxx
                                                <mailto:rlogiacco@xxxxxxxxx>>
                                                wrote:

                                                    Keep
                                                    throwing
                                                    names lads,
                                                    something
                                                    will come...

                                                      * Euclide
                                                        (*E*clipse
                                                        for
                                                        *M*icro
                                                        *C*ontro*L*ler
                                                        *IDE*,
                                                        famous
                                                        greek
                                                        mathematician)
                                                      * NitrIDE
                                                        (Nitro
                                                        seemed
                                                        a cool
                                                        name,
                                                        banging....)
                                                      * EpoxIDE
                                                        (also
                                                        epoxy
                                                        glue
                                                        has
                                                        somewhat
                                                        to do
                                                        with
                                                        makers
                                                        movement....
                                                        let's
                                                        say we
                                                        glue
                                                        together
                                                        micro
                                                        controllers
                                                        developement?)
                                                      * Identiality
                                                        (the
                                                        IDE for
                                                        people???
                                                        Don't
                                                        know,
                                                        seemed
                                                        cool
                                                        when it
                                                        came to
                                                        my mind)
                                                      * SilicIDE
                                                        (silicon
                                                        devices
                                                        IDE?)
                                                      * BlueIDE
                                                        (blue
                                                        is the
                                                        common
                                                        colour
                                                        between
                                                        eclipse
                                                        and
                                                        arduino
                                                        palettes.....?!?
                                                        I know,
                                                        it's
                                                        getting
                                                        tough
                                                        even to
                                                        explain....)
                                                      * Idetached
                                                        
(..........!?!..............
                                                        don't know)
                                                      * Idexterity
                                                        (even
                                                        sillier...
                                                        I know,
                                                        I know)


                                                    Keep them
                                                    flowing....

                                                    On Tue, May
                                                    17, 2016 at
                                                    10:58 PM,
                                                    Jan Baeyens
                                                    <jan@xxxxxxxxxx
                                                    <mailto:jan@xxxxxxxxxx>>
                                                    wrote:

                                                        I
                                                        really
                                                        do not
                                                        know
                                                        what to
                                                        go for
                                                        as a name.

                                                        it is
                                                        one of
                                                        these
                                                        (not so
                                                        rare)
                                                        things
                                                        I'm not
                                                        good
                                                        at. I'd
                                                        really
                                                        would
                                                        like a
                                                        disicion
                                                        as 7
                                                        juli is
                                                        comming
                                                        closer
                                                        and closer.
                                                        But I
                                                        don't know.

                                                        What I
                                                        think:
                                                        It is a
                                                        good
                                                        idea to
                                                        drop
                                                        the
                                                        name
                                                        Arduino
                                                        (think
                                                        about
                                                        Arduino
                                                        and
                                                        Genuino)
                                                        A
                                                        proper
                                                        name
                                                        (not a
                                                        descriptive
                                                        text)
                                                        is the
                                                        way to go.

                                                        My
                                                        brainstorm
                                                        gets to

                                                        futide
                                                        (resistance
                                                        is
                                                        futile
                                                        and
                                                        then ide)

                                                        wromjai
                                                        (mix of
                                                        ja wi
                                                        ro ma )
                                                        SeePeePeeMCUIDE
                                                        (cpp
                                                        mcu ide)
                                                        trueWholeIDE
                                                        (from
                                                        through
                                                        hole ide)

                                                        CUICIDE
                                                        (in use
                                                        :-( )
                                                        picolide
                                                        (seem
                                                        to be
                                                        some
                                                        chemical)
                                                        picoide
                                                        (pico
                                                        seems
                                                        to be a
                                                        programming
                                                        language
                                                        so
                                                        picoide
                                                        exists)
                                                        jawiro
                                                        (jan
                                                        wim
                                                        roberto
                                                        :-(
                                                        already
                                                        in use)


                                                        Op
                                                        15/05/2016
                                                        om
                                                        17:27
                                                        schreef
                                                        Roberto
                                                        Lo Giacco:
                                                        Little
                                                        reminder
                                                        about
                                                        Eclipse
                                                        name
                                                        usage
                                                        rules
                                                        
https://eclipse.org/legal/logo_guidelines.php#ProperEclipse

                                                        Actually
                                                        I
                                                        believe
                                                        the
                                                        correct
                                                        naming,
                                                        if we
                                                        wish
                                                        to go
                                                        for
                                                        the
                                                        /edition/ thing
                                                        would
                                                        be
                                                        Arduino
                                                        IDE,
                                                        Eclipse
                                                        Edition
                                                        (note
                                                        the
                                                        comma)
                                                        which
                                                        makes
                                                        us
                                                        infringe/collide
                                                        with
                                                        the
                                                        Arduino
                                                        IDE...

                                                        Let's
                                                        brainstorm
                                                        this,
                                                        shall we?

                                                        We are
                                                        here
                                                        talking
                                                        about
                                                        a
                                                        microcontroller
                                                        development
                                                        environment,
                                                        based
                                                        on
                                                        eclipse
                                                        which
                                                        includes
                                                        parts
                                                        of the
                                                        Arduino
                                                        software
                                                        platform,
                                                        but
                                                        goes
                                                        further
                                                        than
                                                        just
                                                        Arduino
                                                        micros.

                                                          * µIDE
                                                            (with
                                                            µ being
                                                            the
                                                            greek
                                                            letter
                                                            for
                                                            micro...
                                                            hard
                                                            to
                                                            represent
                                                            in
                                                            non
                                                            UTF8
                                                            contexts,
                                                            it
                                                            would
                                                            become
                                                            uIDE)
                                                          * microDEV
                                                            (is
                                                            this
                                                            somewhat
                                                            pretentious?)
                                                          * AISA
                                                            (Ambiente Integrato 
di
                                                            Sviluppo
                                                            per
                                                            Arduino,
                                                            italian
                                                            for
                                                            Arduino
                                                            IDE)
                                                          * Beyond
                                                            IDE
                                                            (meaning
                                                            beyond
                                                            Arduino
                                                            and
                                                            Eclipse)
                                                          * Avatar
                                                            (I
                                                            actually
                                                            don't
                                                            know
                                                            why)
                                                          * Pathfinder
                                                            (well,
                                                            they
                                                            use
                                                            Mars,
                                                            this
                                                            was
                                                            the
                                                            name
                                                            of
                                                            the
                                                            most
                                                            known
                                                            probe
                                                            landing
                                                            on
                                                            mars....
                                                            probably
                                                            better
                                                            used
                                                            as
                                                            codename
                                                            for
                                                            one
                                                            of
                                                            our
                                                            releases)
                                                          * Aride
                                                            (ARduino
                                                            IDE,
                                                            in
                                                            Italian
                                                            it
                                                            means
                                                            /arid/,
                                                            plural
                                                            and
                                                            feminine)

                                                        I
                                                        know,
                                                        many
                                                        of the
                                                        above
                                                        are
                                                        pretty
                                                        shit,
                                                        but if
                                                        we go
                                                        for
                                                        brainstorming
                                                        we
                                                        should
                                                        not be
                                                        ashamed
                                                        of the
                                                        shittiest
                                                        ideas
                                                        ever,
                                                        right? :-)

                                                        Roberto



                                                        On
                                                        Sun,
                                                        May
                                                        15,
                                                        2016
                                                        at
                                                        1:51
                                                        PM,
                                                        Jan
                                                        Baeyens
                                                        <jan@xxxxxxxxxx
                                                        <mailto:jan@xxxxxxxxxx>>
                                                        wrote:

                                                            Marcelo

                                                            Please
                                                            don't
                                                            pardon
                                                            :-)

                                                            There
                                                            has
                                                            been
                                                            quite
                                                            some
                                                            discussion
                                                            about
                                                            the
                                                            name
                                                            yet.
                                                            Here
                                                            is
                                                            some
                                                            history
                                                            for
                                                            you.

                                                            Historically
                                                            it
                                                            has
                                                            been
                                                            named
                                                            "Arduino
                                                            Eclipse
                                                            Plugin"
                                                            as
                                                            it
                                                            used
                                                            to
                                                            be
                                                            only
                                                            a
                                                            plugin
                                                            and
                                                            because
                                                            nobody
                                                            bothered
                                                            as
                                                            we
                                                            never
                                                            realized
                                                            it
                                                            would
                                                            ever
                                                            be
                                                            as
                                                            big
                                                            as
                                                            it
                                                            is
                                                            today.

                                                            Then
                                                            Wim
                                                            added
                                                            the
                                                            product.
                                                            Which
                                                            makes
                                                            the
                                                            name
                                                            "Arduino
                                                            Eclipse
                                                            Plugin"
                                                            "no
                                                            longer
                                                            to
                                                            covers
                                                            the
                                                            cargo"
                                                            (sorry
                                                            don't
                                                            know
                                                            the
                                                            Englsh
                                                            expression)


                                                            Then
                                                            there
                                                            is
                                                            the
                                                            casing
                                                            (which
                                                            -at
                                                            simple
                                                            request
                                                            of
                                                            Wim
                                                            ;-)
                                                            -
                                                            I
                                                            will
                                                            not
                                                            cover)

                                                            During
                                                            the
                                                            discussion
                                                            with
                                                            Eclipse
                                                            legal
                                                            it
                                                            was
                                                            mentioned
                                                            that
                                                            the
                                                            name
                                                            might
                                                            not
                                                            be
                                                            confirm
                                                            trademark
                                                            ruling.
                                                            Basically
                                                            legal
                                                            advises
                                                            to
                                                            make
                                                            our
                                                            own
                                                            name
                                                            product
                                                            name.

                                                            Legally
                                                            Eclipse
                                                            allows
                                                            "eclipse
                                                            edition"
                                                            and
                                                            Arduino
                                                            does
                                                            not
                                                            really
                                                            specify
                                                            what
                                                            is
                                                            allowed
                                                            for
                                                            software.
                                                            But
                                                            for
                                                            boards
                                                            "for
                                                            Arduino"
                                                            is
                                                            allowed
                                                            but
                                                            "XXX
                                                            Arduino"
                                                            is
                                                            not.

                                                            IMHO
                                                            "Eclipse
                                                            for
                                                            C++"
                                                            is
                                                            actually
                                                            CDT
                                                            which
                                                            stands
                                                            for
                                                            "C++
                                                            development
                                                            tools"
                                                            like
                                                            JDT
                                                            stands
                                                            for
                                                            "Java
                                                            development
                                                            tools".
                                                            In
                                                            that
                                                            trend
                                                            we
                                                            could
                                                            call
                                                            it
                                                            ADT
                                                            "Arduino
                                                            Development
                                                            tools"
                                                            or
                                                            MDT
                                                            (MCU)
                                                            or
                                                            IDT
                                                            (iot).

                                                            Personally
                                                            I
                                                            do
                                                            not
                                                            really
                                                            like
                                                            this
                                                            3
                                                            letter
                                                            abbreviation
                                                            words.
                                                            But
                                                            I'm
                                                            democratic
                                                            guy
                                                            ....

                                                            One
                                                            of
                                                            the
                                                            reasons
                                                            I
                                                            like
                                                            "Arduino
                                                            IDE
                                                            eclipse
                                                            edition"
                                                            (but
                                                            I
                                                            am
                                                            not
                                                            crazy
                                                            about
                                                            it)
                                                            is
                                                            that
                                                            we
                                                            could
                                                            make
                                                            "IDE"
                                                            and
                                                            "edition"
                                                            really
                                                            small
                                                            (far
                                                            smaller
                                                            that
                                                            you
                                                            have
                                                            made
                                                            them
                                                            on
                                                            the
                                                            splash)
                                                            so
                                                            it
                                                            still
                                                            looks
                                                            like
                                                            "Arduino
                                                            eclipse"
                                                            as
                                                            on
                                                            the
                                                            current
                                                            splash.
                                                            So
                                                            that
                                                            would
                                                            make
                                                            the
                                                            official
                                                            name
                                                            "Arduino
                                                            IDE
                                                            eclipse
                                                            edition",
                                                            "Arduino
                                                            Eclipse"
                                                            in
                                                            short.

                                                            I
                                                            think
                                                            these
                                                            are
                                                            the
                                                            headline
                                                            of
                                                            the
                                                            current
                                                            name
                                                            discussion

                                                            Best
                                                            regards

                                                            Jantje


                                                            On
                                                            14-05-16
                                                            19:22,
                                                            Marcelo
                                                            Limori
                                                            wrote:
                                                            Pardon
                                                            the
                                                            interruption,
                                                            but
                                                            wouldn't
                                                            be
                                                            more
                                                            logical
                                                            Eclipse
                                                            Arduino
                                                            Edition?
                                                            You
                                                            don't
                                                            have
                                                            C++
                                                            Eclipse
                                                            Edition,
                                                            you
                                                            have
                                                            Eclipse
                                                            for
                                                            C++.

                                                            2016-05-14
                                                            6:08
                                                            GMT-03:00
                                                            Wim
                                                            Jongman
                                                            
<wim.jongman@xxxxxxxxx
                                                            
<mailto:wim.jongman@xxxxxxxxx>>:

                                                                LMAO(BW)

                                                                On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 
12:20 AM, Jan Baeyens <jan@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jan@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

                                                                    ROFL

                                                                    Yes sir


























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