Well spotted Shad!! yes I did meam 1 am lol
Chriss xx
On 30/08/2020 08:47, Shad Woolgrove (Redacted sender shadwoolgrove for
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Dear Members of ECCO
I think that the people who will be most affected are those of us who live at the bottom of Rossington Road and on Brocco Bank. I’m remembering how it was for these folk during lockdown when people were partying in Endcliffe Park till late at night/early hours of the morning.
Just because it may not directly affect those of us who live on Everton/Newington/Wiseton and the “Vale” Estate doesn’t mean that we can’t be neighbourly and think about those who will be directly affected.
With appreciation and gratitude for everything that the members of the ECCO committee do on our behalf.
Shad
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...and if they're *officially* allowed to be open till late, it means you have to add an extra hour (at least) to that time before customers have left (banging car doors, revving up engines and shouting around in the process). No, I'm not tarnishing everyone with the same brush - it only needs *one* lot like that per night to impact negatively on neighbouring residential areas.
Plus, Nonna's really doesn't strike me as struggling for survival - they've been ever so busy from the first day they were allowed to reopen.
Cheers,
Fides
On Sat, 29 Aug 2020, 18:47 Shad Woolgrove, <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Dear Chriss
I fear that you mean that every restaurant on Ecclesall Road would
be open until 1 am 😉 – most of them are already open at 1 pm 😊
AND, I agree, this is just the thin dge of the wedge.
LOL
Shad
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This is what Atlee had to say about such things.........
/I entirely agree that people should have the greatest freedom
compatible with the freedom of others. There was a time when
employers were free to work little children for sixteen hours a
day. I remember when employers were free to employ sweated women
workers on finishing trousers at a penny halfpenny a pair. There
was a time when people were free to neglect sanitation so that
thousands died of preventable diseases. For years every attempt to
remedy these crying evils was blocked by the same plea of freedom
for the individual. It was in fact freedom for the rich and
slavery for the poor./
/Do we really want the lowest possible denominator on Ecclesall Road/
If this is accepted if will not be reviewed after the pandemic is
over in fact I suspect it will open the flood gates for every bar
to be open until 1pm
Chriss
On 29/08/2020 15:00, Steve Jelbert (Redacted sender stevejelbert
for DMARC) wrote:
We do not support Ecco sending an collective objection, having
no problem with extended hours and in fact being in favour of
them. Should you want to complain about already beleaguered
businesses attempting to survive during the pandemic do it as
individual citizens.
Steve and Kate
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On 29 Aug 2020, at 11:26, Shad Woolgrove (Redacted sender
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Thank you David – very helpful advice 😊
Shad
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Hi
I advise that individuals also go on to Sheffield planning
and make individual comments on the application in
addition to any collective submission.
Previous emails include the web address and the a
application can be found searching for Nonna on the
Sheffield city council planning site.
David
On Sat, 29 Aug 2020, 10:26 Susan Peace,
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Hello
And thank you for letting us know. I agree with the
above and support an objection to nonnas request for
an extension of their hours. We live in a residential
area and need to keep the quiet as much as possible
rather than letting the noisy hectic mayhem of such
as west street creep to our area.
An extension will also increase traffic and taxis in
particular.
Thus I support ECCO sending an objection and I’ll try
to send something to our councillor
Sue and Fred
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On 26 Aug 2020, at 18:08, ramen fides
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Agree with Gordon. Also, whilst other businesses
are seriously struggling, we've noticed that
Nonna's always seems to be busy, whenever we go
past it. So the argument that they wouldn't be
able to cope doesn't look genuine - it's just that
they see a good opportunity to get what they've
always wanted...
We will certainly put in an objection.
I can also send one on behalf of ECCO, from the
ECCO Secretary email account.
Do we need a (virtual) meeting to discuss this,
just in case there are pros as well as cons? Happy
to set one up if needed.
Mike, what is the deadline for objections?
Cheers,
Fides
On Wed, 26 Aug 2020, 16:36 Gordon Ferguson,
<gordon.ferguson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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I think that we should object to this -
certainly as individuals, and hopefully acting
together through ECCO.
Nonnas have tried to get extended opening
hours in the past for exactly the same reason
- to enable their business to be viable. And
we fought the application back then.
As far as I am concerned, if a business
operating under current planning restrictions
cannot be viable, they should close or move.
They know what the limits are and should run
their business accordingly, and should not go
crying to the authorities if they are not
astute enough to make their business work. As
for the Covid-19 restrictions, everyone is in
the same boat, and individual businesses
should not be asking for special considerations.
The government are pushing for relaxation of
planning restrictions around new housing, so
there is unfortunately an atmosphere of
businesses being willing to exploit people and
the environment for their own personal gain.
If Nonnas win this application, every single
other business on Ecclesall Road will apply
and get the same.
Ecclesall Road is bad enough as it is, so we
should fight to maintain the current planning
and licensing restrictions.
We should also lobby our councillors and MP:
MP: Paul BLOMFIELD
<paul.blomfield.mp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:paul.blomfield.mp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Councillors (Broomhill and Sharrow Vale Ward):
Angela Argenzio (Green Party)
http://democracy.sheffield.gov.uk/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=20691
email:
angela.argenzio@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:angela.argenzio@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Kaltum Rivers (Green Party)
http://democracy.sheffield.gov.uk/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=20608
email:
kaltum.rivers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:kaltum.rivers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
(We do not currently have a third councillor -
election postponed until May 2021. Our third
councillor was Michelle Cook (Labour), who
resigned in January 2020 -
http://democracy.sheffield.gov.uk/mgAi.aspx?ID=20971)
Gordon
On 24/08/2020 13:20, Mike and Jan Andrews wrote:
Hi all
Nonna's have made a planning application
to extend their opening hours on Fridays
and Saturdays.
They want to stay open until 1am in the
morning and keep their terrace open until
11pm on those days.
Generally, restaurants on Ecclesall Road
have been restricted to 11pm (or is it
11.30pm) for many years past. So this
would be a substantial extension.
Nonna's argue that Covid-19 restrictions
would make them unviable unless they get
this extension. However one needs to
understand that planning permission cannot
be retracted once it has been granted.
I don't know whether ECCO members will
have strong views about this matter. If so
then we could comment on the planning
application as a group.
The Planning Application can be viewed by
visiting
https://planningapps.sheffield.gov.uk/online-applications/
and searching either for 'nonnas' or
20/02633/FUL
Mike and Jan
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