I agree with Shad but the downside is that people’s lives have changed as a
result eg children not at local schools, people working further afield even
within Sheffield, more women working, Meadowhall etc etc. Corona may have
modified behaviour to some extent but I’m bot sure how long term that will be,
unfortunately.
Marilyn
On 6 Dec 2020, at 09:55, Shad Woolgrove <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear Jon. Noel. Clare et al
I am very interested in this topic.
When I first moved to this area in 1987 there was very little problem with
parking, Ecclesall Road and Brocco Bank rarely were at a standstill, cycling
was much safer and enjoyable – I believe that a major contributor to this was
the incredibly cheap bus fares – a few pence to travel into town so no one
took a car – consequently there was very little provision for car parking in
town. When the deregulation of the buses came in all that changed almost
over night – car parks sprang up all over town; acres of land are taken up
with cars that have mostly only conveyed one person. All this must change!
I’m in
Shad
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From: Clare Draffin
Sent: 04 December 2020 22:28
To: eccotalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [eccotalk] Re: An ECCO area response to traffic congestion
andrelated issues?!
Thanks for raising this thorny problem again, Jon, and for summarising all
the issues raised by ECCO members.
I am keen to be part of any group discussing possible solutions to
car/cycle/pedestrian problems. My experience is a bit out of date: but 30
years ago (!) I was one of a tiny group that set up a Pedestrian Forum with
the 'support' of SCC and we worked alongside the cycle forum. We were
allotted a monthly slot with the transport officers and came up with some
innovative ideas. But apart from the traffic humps on Rustlings Rd, we
achieved very little on the ground, constantly thwarted by the highway
engineers and 'Government guidelines'. One suggestion we made was for a
raised zebra halfway up Brocco Bank; another was for a cycle lane on the
houses side of Brocco Bank. Of course, the highway engineers only saw Hunters
Bar as a main traffic through-route and said exactly that: their fear was/is
always that of a built-up of traffic right back to the centre of town if
anything was/is done to limit flow at HB. I don't know if any of this
thinking has changed; others will be more up to date with current SCC
thinking.
As we all know, HB is a hazardous place to walk, especially for children
going to and from HB school. And, of course, as Sue and Fred pointed out,
Endcliffe Glen Rd has twice-a-day rat-running traffic, much of it from
parents taking/collecting from the local private schools.
On Fri, 4 Dec 2020, 18:19 joncowley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi All,
A week or two ago Gordon forwarded to us Sheffield City Council's "Ambitious
Plans for the Future of Travel in Sheffield". In response Noel wrote a piece
on his experience of being a recent arrival to the area and the one downside
"which is that traffic congestion on Brocco Bank and Ecclesall Road is
appalling". This generated a very interesting email discussion with several
issues being raised:
traffic congestion round Hunters Bar and the need to reduce car use
free/cheap, improved buses as the key to changing that, and safer cycling
infrastructure
Fred and Sue then kicked off a discussion about rat running through the area
with suggestions for blocking off a road and traffic calming measures, and us
becoming a Low Traffic Neighbourhood
pavement parking
Ecclesall Rd dangerous for cyclists, shocking for pedestrians
air pollution measurements
how flood defences could contribute to traffic calming
Nick drew our attention to wider climate change campaigns and discussions
needed
Then the email chat went on to:
tax (paying for it)
should ECCO have a meeting to discuss these issues, campaign on the issues
etc?
I hope I've touched on the main points, sorry if I've missed something.
However, because I was excited by this discussion developing and don't want
it lost, I have brought together and organised the comments made in the
attached document (sad or what?: wet day in lockdown!).
Personally, I am 100% in favour of us campaigning (with others along
Ecclesall Rd and Sharrow Vale) to have a much cheaper bus service and much
safer & more pleasant environment for cyclists and pedestrians on Ecclesall
Rd, around Hunters Bar and down Sharrow Vale (which I think should be
pedestrianised at the school end). I also fully support a campaign to stop
the rat runs along Endcliffe Glen Rd, Everton Rd, and Rossington Rd (and
others) and working out between us how best to do that.
So I support the suggestion for an ECCO meeting/sub-group/forum to discuss
these ideas and draw up a plan/proposal.
All the best,
Jon
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