I confess that in everyday speech I certainly now talk of James's birthday, although I can see why in real terms this is incorrect. Alison -----Original Message----- From: ebooktalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ebooktalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Elaine Harris (Rivendell) Sent: 08 July 2013 11:23 To: ebooktalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ebooktalk] Re: Grammar Question Almost, Steve. In common usage, it is either James' birthday, (now deemed old-fashioned) or James's birthday. Both singular. Different ways of saying the same thing. Adding an es to James, making it Jameses, say for example as in "The Jameses' party" implies a plural; several people called James, probably the surname. Does that make sense? Elaine -----Original Message----- From: ebooktalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ebooktalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steven Bingham Sent: Monday, 8 July 2013 7:15 PM To: ebooktalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ebooktalk] Re: Grammar Question I don't think there would be a correct one on this you should (as always in my opinion) write what you say. So if you say James' birthday then that is right. If you add the second e s then you put apostrophe s. Steve -----Original Message----- From: ebooktalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ebooktalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of CJ & AA MAY Sent: 07 July 2013 19:27 To: ebooktalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ebooktalk] Re: Grammar Question When I find the apostrophe difficult to place is with names like James. So do I send a card on James's birthday or just on James' birthday? Alison -----Original Message----- From: ebooktalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ebooktalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ian Macrae Sent: 06 July 2013 12:27 To: ebooktalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ebooktalk] Re: Grammar Question And there you go, four answers all saying pretty much the same thing but in very different ways. On 6 Jul 2013, at 12:20, Ian Macrae wrote: > Dave, men is a plural noun and therefore the apostrophe goes before > the s because the matches belong to men. Ladies is the plural of a singular noun, Lady and therefore the apostrophe goes after the s because the matches belong to all the ladies, not just to one lady. This brings back a horrific memory of me having teach this to a class of 3rd years secondary school students having been up all night at a party at college during my teaching practise. > On 6 Jul 2013, at 10:43, David Russell wrote: > >> Hi Folks, >> >> Can someone please answer this for me. >> >> When I look at the schedule for Wimbledon tennis, they always mark >> the matches as "men's singles" or "Ladies' Singles". >> >> You may need to read this letter by letter to understand what I mean. >> >> I am just wondering why the men and ladies are treated differently? >> >> >> David >> >> >> >> >> >> > >