[duxuser] Re: braille standards
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- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 22:54:32 -0500
Please take me off your email I do not want all these e-mails Thank you
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> From: "Dale Leavens" <dleavens@xxxxxxx>
> Date: 2003/11/25 Tue PM 09:58:25 EST
> To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [duxuser] Re: braille standards
>
> While I agree with what is said here, the software authors presume a lot as
> well. My new television came with a multiple page manual describing all it's
> features, how they might be used and how to access them. While there is a
> massive help system in these work processors you pretty well have to know
> what you don't know in order to ask for help to learn it.
>
> There is also the problem of varying standards. We will be going over to
> Word in the coming months but to this point it has been WordPerfect. People
> really like the codes in WordPerfect. They can see what is happening and why
> and can edit things like formatting in and out. More significant though is
> that what little many have learned over time will soon be lost while they
> stumble along in Word. The really frustrating thing for me is that now so
> many documents are being produced by non-professional document producers,
> that is, every manager now does their own typing which generally only
> demonstrates two areas in which they lack competence and efficiency.
>
> I am hoping that DBT handles tables more intelligently in Word than it does
> in WordPerfect.
>
> Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario
> dleavens@xxxxxxx
> Home of the Polar Bear Express!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Poehlman" <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 2:06 PM
> Subject: [duxuser] Re: braille standards
>
>
> agreed!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 1:10 PM
> Subject: [duxuser] Re: braille standards
>
>
> Yes Ann,
>
> It's the appropriate Word Processor Operators manual - which nobody every
> [expletive omitted] well reads.
>
> I have just been involved in producing a fairly hefty Word document of a
> mere 80 pages, and have spent more hours than I care to mention re-styling
> it.
>
> A message which I am trying desperately to get across to people is that
> literally millions of hours are being wasted word-wide, simply because
> people do not know - or in fairness, have never been trained - to use their
> system properly.
>
> This has absolutely NOTHING to do with Braille production, and is actually
> costing employers serious money. That's the message we need to get across.
> Money out of the employer's pocket.
>
> The problem is that most employers don't know how to use the software
> themselves, and moreover can't see that even a days basic training could
> save them money in an extremely short space of time.
>
> But as you and I know, the spin off for us is that if programs like Word
> were being used even half properly, our job would be far, far easier. That
> would also save a lot of the costs in producing braille. (Which everyone
> complains is way too high!)
>
> For example, I regularly see hard carriage returns being used to force a new
> page, as opposed to using Ctrl + Return.
>
> I see Tabs being used to indent paragraphs, rather than simply adjusting
> margins.
>
> I see hand typed Tables of Contents because users don't know how to use
> Heading Styles to automatically generate them.
>
> Rant over for just now. I need a cold beer.
>
> George Bell.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Foxworth, Ann
> Sent: 24 November 2003 22:00
> To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxuser] braille standards
>
> Do any of you know of a current publication outlining standards for
> formatting documents to make them "braille-friendly"?
>
> Ann Foxworth, Computer Braille Specialist Texas Commission for the Blind
> 4800 N. Lamar BLVD Suite # 130 Austin, TX 78756
> PH: (512) 377-0654
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