[duxuser] Re: Why is resetting margins preferable to using the tab key toindent the first line of aparagraph? Or

  • From: "George Bell" <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 10:09:39 -0000

Hi Brett,

I've seen two common mistakes in Word.

1)  There will be a list of say 10 items.  First, the operator doesn't use any 
List Style.  Second, they will use a tab at the beginning of each line to push 
or indent the line.  Third, if the line item overflows to a second line, they 
will tab again to indent the second and subsequent lines.  

The net result is that DBT sees all these tabs and freaks out.

2)  I have actually seen many cases where a user will tab at the start of a 
paragraph, then tab again to align the second line with the first line, and 
again with the third and subsequent lines.

Again, DBT freaks out with the tabs.

Unfortunately there is no logic under the sun which DBT can use to compensate 
for this.

George Bell
Techno-Vision Systems Ltd

-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Winchester [mailto:BWinches@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: 25 November 2003 19:45
To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxuser] Why is resetting margins preferable to using the tab key 
toindent the first line of aparagraph? Or

Why is resetting margins preferable to using the tab key to indent the first 
line of paragraph?  Or George, are you referring to indenting the whole think, 
or hanging paragraphs?


I see Tabs being used to indent paragraphs, rather than simply adjusting 
margins.

thank you!

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>>> <duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 11/25/03 11:37AM >>>
Hallelujah, Ann!

I've just ranted to your last message, and as soon as I hit send, got this one.

My suggestion would be to get a professional trainer in Word, who ideally has 
experience of XML and document structuring, to discuss how to use Styles 
correctly.

I can promise you that if you can get those who prepare documents on a regular 
day to day basis, to style them correctly, more than half of your own problems 
regarding conversion to braille will disappear overnight.

Moreover, as I was at pains to point out earlier, the originators of the 
documents, whether they be for braille or not, will be far more efficient, thus 
saving your employer money.  Some of them might even start to enjoy their jobs 
better.

I may be making a rod for my own back here, but I will happily talk in more 
detail to any employer on this subject, and explain all the benefits to be 
derived from proper training.  I will also happily talk to any professional 
trainer who would like a little more insight into why proper Styling of 
documents is so important all round.

Good luck, Ann.  Sounds like some daylight is finally emerging over there is 
darkest Texas!  (Smile)


George Bell
Techno-Vision Systems Ltd

-----Original Message-----
From: Foxworth, Ann [mailto:Ann.Foxworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 25 November 2003 17:43
To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxuser] Re: braille standards

No, the BANA document is not what I'm looking for.  Our agency wishes to 
instruct its employees on proper use of formatting options in our MS-Office 
applications in order to create the most braille friendly document for 
translating using the Duxbury Braille Translation program.

Ann Foxworth, Computer Braille Specialist Texas Commission for the Blind 4800 
N. Lamar BLVD Suite # 130 Austin, TX 78756
PH: (512) 377-0654


-----Original Message-----
From: Francis E. Khan [mailto:fekhan@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 11:22 AM
To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxuser] Re: braille standards


There is a publication prepared under the auspices of the Braille Authority of 
North America and titled BANA UEBC Sampler 1 which suggests standards for 
unifying the English Braille code.  Is that the document to which you refer?

Francis Khan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Foxworth, Ann" <Ann.Foxworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 5:59 PM
Subject: [duxuser] braille standards


> Do any of you know of a current publication outlining standards for
formatting documents to make them "braille-friendly"?
>
> Ann Foxworth, Computer Braille Specialist Texas Commission for the 
> Blind 4800 N. Lamar BLVD Suite # 130 Austin, TX 78756
> PH: (512) 377-0654
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