[duxuser] Re: Duxbury and Math
- From: "Dani Lynn Uesato" <res1hx2n@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:52:31 -1000
Hi, Sandy. Everything you wrote about sums up all I remember about Nemoth; I
used it in high school and college math. I write it fine, but dread having
to figure out vertical number placement. I'll follow up on your suggestion
to look for on-line info, just for reference's sake. Where do I get the book
you suggested? Is it available in Braille?
Thanks,
Dani
-----Original Message-----
From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Sandy Rathjen
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:53 AM
To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxuser] Re: Duxbury and Math
Dani,
Here is my two cents worth:
I have used Scientific Notebook as a demo and found it to be more difficult
to enter problems into than Duxbury! Perhaps you will have more success in
scanning than I have, but it doesn't sound like the best way to go. I work
at a public high school and have had to braille Algebra I, II, III, geometry
and physics. This is my suggestion:
For linear algebra, perhaps scanning will work. It will also work to copy
or import a file into duxbury from a word document or similar software.
Just remember to select Layout, Math Code, Technical Context BEFORE you
import or paste anything into your new Duxbury file. Edit from here in six
key mode. Proofread because things will not all be correct.
You can also begin a document in duxbury by typing in all of the handout
that you can in print format. Then translate, and complete in six key. But
you do need to know the Nemeth. (Sounds like you could learn along with the
student, if the first few things you are doing are vertical addition and
subtraction.) Use the Nemeth Braille Code For Mathematics and Science
Notation 1972 Revison for reference so you know you are doing it correctly.
I refer to it almost daily. Or go on line to find some summaries of the
Nemeth Code. (Try the Texas School for the Blind site for some ideas.)
The six key entry mode in duxbury is a breeze compared to trying to use
codes in print mode, or compared to Scientific Notebook, in my opinion. You
have to know correct Nemeth anyway to proofread your work. So I find it is
easier to practice and use it just like your student.
Things to watch out for: Nemeth page numbers go on the bottom, not the top.
Parentheses are not dots 2356, but are dots 12356 and 23456. Don't use
letter indicators unless you are in a literary sentence. Numeric indicators
are sometimes omitted as well, according to very specific rules. Comma is
dot six, unless it follows a word. Runover rules, indentation, and line
spacing rules are also important.
Maybe that was more or less than two cents worth, but... I love using
Nemeth Code, and can only encourage you to work with it to appreciate its
beauty.
Sandy Rathjen
res1hx2n@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Hi, George. Thanks for the info on S/N. Rather than fuss with the school and
all the red tape, I'll call Duxbury and get it myself. Red tape can, and no
doubt will, take months to untangle, and my student officially starts the
class in less than two weeks. S/N will go a long way toward saving my
sanity. I have a limitted knowledge of Nemoth myself, and having to figure
out where I am on the computer screen in order to place the numbers where
they will need to be won't be an easy thing. Where math's concerned, I'll
take the Perkins any day. *grin* Will be interested in whatever dialog comes
about.
Thanks,
Dani
-----Original Message-----
From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of George Bell
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:55 PM
To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxuser] Re: Duxbury and Math
Hi Dani,
Your question will no doubt open up quite a dialog and, since my knowledge
of maths braille could be written, in braille, on my thumbnail, I'll revert
to the easy way out, which you may wish to consider in the longer term as
the maths requirement becomes more complex. (And also when DBT 10.4 comes
out)
Scientific Notebook is a mathematical desk top publishing package, which at
$49 educational, doesn't usually break the school budget. (See
http://www.mackichan.com/ for full details) You can get a fully working one
month evaluation copy either by download, or on CD.
The files created by S/N can be imported into DBT and translated. In
addition, it is an excellent package in so much as it can be used in
main-stream printed school work, and can also produce Large Print maths if
needs be.
I would stress now that DBT's Scientific Notebook Importer has been further
enhanced for DBT 10.5, and I believe it will be a powerful feature and
benefit for anyone needing to produce maths braille, in a hurry, and with a
limited knowledge of the overall subject.
George Bell.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dani Lynn Uesato [mailto:res1hx2n@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 27 August 2003 09:09
To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Hi, Everyone. I have to transcribe math worksheets for a
ninth-grade student. The ones I've seen so far have problems
written vertically. I would be scanning the worksheets in.
How should I handle things where Duxbury goes? So far it's
only addition and subtraction. But during the year the class
will be covering fractions and such. Thanks in advance for any input.
Dani
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