[duxuser] Re: Automatic paragraph styles in 10.5
- To: <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:57:28 -0600
Poetry style/code should not preserve the first line indent unless the
regular [para] codes are still in there. Very odd.
Well, all's well that ends well, as they say.
Susie
Susie Stageberg
Project ASSIST with Windows
Iowa Department for the Blind
(515) 281-1351
stageberg.susan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Foxworth, Ann
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 9:49 AM
To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxuser] Re: Automatic paragraph styles in 10.5
Yes, I use poetry style too but the indent on the first line is still in
effect and throws off the hanging indent. I have a style and a template
now so that I can get what I need, thanks to Dave, and to all of you for
helping me with this.
Ann Foxworth, Braille Consultant
Div. for Blind Services
4800 N. Lamar BLVD
Austin, TX 78756
PH: 512-377-0471,
E-mail: ann.foxworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Susan Stageberg
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 9:43 AM
To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxuser] Re: Automatic paragraph styles in 10.5
Ann, not to muddy the waters here, but when I have to do a numbered
list, I use the poetry code [ptys and ptye] which produces a "hanging"
indent: the number is at the margin and the subsequent lines are
indented wherever I say. The scanning finger down the margin finds the
numbers. I do this with schedules, too--the time at the margin and the
rest of it indented. List style probably does the same thing... I just
like to micromanage by inserting codes exactly where I want them.
Susie
Susie Stageberg
Project ASSIST with Windows
Iowa Department for the Blind
(515) 281-1351
stageberg.susan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 8:37 AM
To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxuser] Re: Automatic paragraph styles in 10.5
My particular situation requires me to emboss a lot of handouts with
numbered and bulleted lists. That paragraph style that indents the
first line plays havoc with those lists. Also, due to the fact that the
bulk of our brailled documents includes forms, meeting notes, training
materials, and everything under the sun except literary reading
materials, having a skipped line helps the braille reader to locate the
next item more quickly with a scanning finger down the left margin. If
we were doing textbooks or other literary docs like library books, etc,
I would be happy to have the traditional paragraph of a cell three
indent.
Ann Foxworth, Braille Consultant
Div. for Blind Services
4800 N. Lamar BLVD
Austin, TX 78756
PH: 512-377-0471,
E-mail: ann.foxworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 8:27 AM
To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxuser] Re: Automatic paragraph styles in 10.5
Hi Ann,
I'm curious to know why you should have to change paragraph Styles to
include a blank line between then, and begin in cell 1?
I could understand there being a few very exceptional circumstances, but
both BANA and BAUK recommend no blank line, and beginning the paragraph
in cell 3.
I know for sure that if we deviated from the BAUK recommended paragraph
format here in the UK, we would be inundated with complaints from
experienced braille readers.
George.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Foxworth, Ann
> Sent: 01 March 2005 13:19
> To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxuser] Re: Automatic paragraph styles in 10.5
>
> Well, I'm the biggest dummie in the world because, even
after
> all the advice you all have given me about how to create
such
> a style, I still can not do it in real life. I wonder why
> there aren't any styles already available in Duxbury to address
> differing paragraph styles. I hope that in some future version, the
> Word importer will either have a
choice
> for the ones most commonly used or a "none" setting so
that
> we can expect Duxbury to utilize the paragraph style we
set
> up in our Word docs.
>
>
> Ann Foxworth, Braille Consultant
> Div. for Blind Services
> 4800 N. Lamar BLVD
> Austin, TX 78756
> PH: 512-377-0471,
> E-mail: ann.foxworth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 9:22 PM
> To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxuser] Re: Automatic paragraph styles in 10.5
>
> Hello Steve, Ann and Listers:
>
> While Steve's suggestion is probably the correct solution
for
> a document that will contain block paragraphs from
beginning
> to end, it is cumbersome if a document is to contain a mixture of
> standard formatted braille paragraphs and block
> braille paragraphs.
>
> The reason for this, is that you would have to remember to
> insert the [svprgn:n] code before each paragraph code or style when
> you wanted to change from one paragraph type to
> the other, as follows:
>
> [svprg0:1]
>
> prior to starting block paragraphs, so that all paragraphs
> are blocked to the left margin and have a blank line
before
> and after each block paragraph; and
>
> [svprg3:0]
>
> prior to starting standard formatted paragraphs, where the
> first line of each paragraph is indented to cell 3 and
there
> is no blank line before and after each paragraph.
>
> The beauty and advantage of creating styles which contain
the
> correct codes built into them, is that if you construct
the
> style correctly to produce the desired result, you do not have to
> remember anything else, except apply the correct style at the
> appropriate places throughout any document
where
> you want those types of styles.
>
> This is why when I am preparing documents for
transcription
> to braille, I style code documents as much as possible instead of
> manually coding documents.
>
> Some of the advantages of using styles, are as follows: virtually
> eliminates the mistyping the syntax in codes; minimizes the
> possibility of leaving out a code in a
string
> of codes; avoids having to search for strings of codes in order to
> make changes especially if you do not enter a
string
> of codes in the same order throughout a document.
>
> On the other hand, if you want to change a code or
parameter
> within a code that is contained in a style to alter the output, you
> only have to edit a code or codes contained in
a
> style to affect the output globally throughout a document,
> where that style is used.
>
> In 1995, I transcribed the "JAWS for DOS" manual". I manually coded
> the file from beginning to end. I took
nearly
> four weeks to produce the completed work. It contained 6 volumes and
> had approximately 700 sides of braille.
>
> Last year, I transcribed "Verbal View of Word Basics".
> Except for a few codes that needed to be entered manually,
I
> used styles 98% of the time to produce the finished book.
It
> contains 7 volumes and has 986 sides of braille. It took
me
> 10, 8 hour days to produce the book.
>
> The two examples, do not include the proofreading time.
>
> Sincerely:
>
> Dave Durber
>
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.2 - Release Date:
2/28/2005
>
> * * *
> * This message is via list duxuser at freelists.org.
> * To unsubscribe, send a blank message with
> * unsubscribe
> * as the subject to <duxuser-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>. You
may also
> * subscribe, unsubscribe, and set vacation mode and other
subscription
> * options by visiting //www.freelists.org. The list
archive
> * is also located there.
> * Duxbury Systems' web site is
http://www.duxburysystems.com
> * * *
> * * *
> * This message is via list duxuser at freelists.org.
> * To unsubscribe, send a blank message with
> * unsubscribe
> * as the subject to <duxuser-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>. You
may also
> * subscribe, unsubscribe, and set vacation mode and other
subscription
> * options by visiting //www.freelists.org. The list
archive
> * is also located there.
> * Duxbury Systems' web site is
http://www.duxburysystems.com
> * * *
>
This Message has been scanned for viruses by McAfee Groupshield.
* * *
* This message is via list duxuser at freelists.org.
* To unsubscribe, send a blank message with
* unsubscribe
* as the subject to <duxuser-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>. You may also
* subscribe, unsubscribe, and set vacation mode and other subscription
* options by visiting //www.freelists.org. The list archive
* is also located there.
* Duxbury Systems' web site is http://www.duxburysystems.com
* * *
* * *
* This message is via list duxuser at freelists.org.
* To unsubscribe, send a blank message with
* unsubscribe
* as the subject to <duxuser-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>. You may also
* subscribe, unsubscribe, and set vacation mode and other subscription
* options by visiting //www.freelists.org. The list archive
* is also located there.
* Duxbury Systems' web site is http://www.duxburysystems.com
* * *
* * *
* This message is via list duxuser at freelists.org.
* To unsubscribe, send a blank message with
* unsubscribe
* as the subject to <duxuser-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>. You may also
* subscribe, unsubscribe, and set vacation mode and other subscription
* options by visiting //www.freelists.org. The list archive
* is also located there.
* Duxbury Systems' web site is http://www.duxburysystems.com
* * *
* * *
* This message is via list duxuser at freelists.org.
* To unsubscribe, send a blank message with
* unsubscribe
* as the subject to <duxuser-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>. You may also
* subscribe, unsubscribe, and set vacation mode and other subscription
* options by visiting //www.freelists.org. The list archive
* is also located there.
* Duxbury Systems' web site is http://www.duxburysystems.com
* * *
* * *
* This message is via list duxuser at freelists.org.
* To unsubscribe, send a blank message with
* unsubscribe
* as the subject to <duxuser-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>. You may also
* subscribe, unsubscribe, and set vacation mode and other subscription
* options by visiting //www.freelists.org. The list archive
* is also located there.
* Duxbury Systems' web site is http://www.duxburysystems.com
* * *
Other related posts:
