Hello George: Pat's forms cutter has a bar between the tractor rollers that has a micro-switch on it, that lifts up when the end of the last sheet in a box of paper passes, thus stopping the forms-cutting process. Most of the form cutters and bursters on the market use a light detection system. so, you have a light on one half of the tractor feeder and a light detector on the other half and the paper slides through between them. The forms-cutting process continues as long as the light is not detected by the light detector. The other point to mention, is that most of these light detection systems tend to be built into the right hand tractor and because the manufacturers of these forms cutting and bursting machines do not make provision for the placement of either the light or the light detector in the left hand tractor feeder, there is no possibility of changing the configuration. The problem arises when you are using paper that has been pre-punched down one side with wholes for a binder to be inserted. So, let's say that you have embossed a box of a thousand sheets of paper and you now want to forms cut, or burst them apart. You would think that you would put the pin-feed wholes of the last sheet of the box of paper on the pins of the tractor feeders with the binding wholes on the left side, would't you. But, when you do this, the file ends up being collated backwards. So, in order to collate the file the right way, you have to take the top sheet of the top of the pile and place it on the table and repeat the process until the order of the pages run in ascending order. Now, if you were able to put the last sheet of paper on the tractor feeders with the binding wholes on the right side instead, the sheets of paper would be stacked and collated in the correct order. However, when you try to do this, the light flashes through the passing binding wholes and is therefore detected by the light detector. The forms cutter or burster will either stop immediately or, it will finish forms cutting or bursting the first sheet and will then stop because the light has been detected by the light detector. In summing up, by including a function that would emboss the file from back-to-front, the file would be collated in the right order when the stack of paper is either forms cut or burst when the paper is put onto the tractor feeders with the binding wholes on the left hand side. Sincerely: Dave Durber On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:15:39 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Dave, > >Re your comment:- > >> the ability to emboss files from back-to-front to >> take into account those people who use forms cutters and >> bursters, would be some of the basic functions that must >be >> included in the new program. > >People also need to learn how to use their forms cutters and >bursters properly. > >Can you imagine Pat next door trying to turn one of his 3 >foot high bins of output upside down? I think not! > >George. >* * * >* This message is via list duxhelp at freelists.org. >* To unsubscribe, send a blank message with >* unsubscribe >* as the subject to <duxhelp-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>. You may also >* subscribe, unsubscribe, and set vacation mode and other subscription >* options by visiting //www.freelists.org. The list archive >* is also located there. >* Duxbury Systems' web site is http://www.duxburysystems.com >* * * * * * * This message is via list duxhelp at freelists.org. * To unsubscribe, send a blank message with * unsubscribe * as the subject to <duxhelp-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>. You may also * subscribe, unsubscribe, and set vacation mode and other subscription * options by visiting //www.freelists.org. The list archive * is also located there. * Duxbury Systems' web site is http://www.duxburysystems.com * * *