David, I'll also add that you can set up an autotext shortcut of your own to ease typing of things that you normally find cumbersome. (This is a Word feature -- not a DBT feature.) There is a UK Extended keyboard layout included with Windows XP SP2. This will ease typing of some characters, but not the degree sign. - Peter -----Original Message----- From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rebecca Sherwood Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 11:34 AM To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxhelp] Re: degrees centigrade in the British code I have found that DBT converts the ASCII code 248 degree symbol correctly. You can input this symbol in a Word document by typing Alt + 248 on the numeric keypad. Rebecca David Spybey wrote: > In Word writing degrees centigrade with the degrees sign is not > simple. A symbol for the degrees sign has to be imported from symbols > (though there may be another way that I do not use). DBT does not deal > with this correctly, eg word file attached. Is there another version > of the degrees sign which DBTR does work with? > > > > David Spybey > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George Bell > Sent: 09 May 2006 19:39 > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Strange file containing brackets > > > > I'm on your side here, Peter. SR1 will come soon enough. > > > > George. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter > > Sullivan > > Sent: 09 May 2006 17:36 > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Strange file containing brackets > > > > George, > > > > I will look into this. > > > > But it is increasingly unlikely that anything will be done > > about it before the release of DBT 10.6. We are already > > about a month behind our original schedule, there are about > > a year's worth of important fixes already in the software, > > and customers waiting for these. > > > > - Peter > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George > > Bell > > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 12:33 PM > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Strange file containing brackets > > > > Peter, > > > > I fear we have perhaps stepped into a veritable mine field > > with this. > > > > I've just done a quick experiment with a couple of Word's > > Headings. DBT seems to ignore Bold and Italics, not just > > for the entire heading, but for individual words selected > > and changed "for emphasis", such is the second line of the > > attached. > > > > George. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter > > Sullivan > > Sent: 09 May 2006 17:24 > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Strange file containing brackets > > > > George, > > > > I haven't gone back to visit David's file since receiving > > some extra information from him this morning. > > > > But what you propose does make some sense as a possible > > source of the trouble. > > > > The goal of DBT's importer is to indicate emphasis, not to > > show typographical convention. > > > > Consider the case of a level-two heading style in Word, > > where text set in the style is automatically italicized. > > The italics should not normally be shown in braille (at > > least not per the rules with which I'm most familiar) > > because the italics are a typographical convention, not an > > indication of emphasis. Instead, the braille should show > > un-emphasized text set as a level-two heading. > > > > But further consider that the user wants to italicize text > > within the line > > -- to indicate a word or two that are particularly > > emphasized within the heading. The print convention for > > this is to revert the emphasized words to the non-italicized > > form. DBT attempts to indicate the emphasis then by looking > > for places where the text is in a typographical form > > distinct from what is defined for the paragraph style in > > which it is defined. > > > > All of which is to say that the code is attempting to be be > > pretty "smart" > > in cases that we considered during the design phase of the > > Word importer; and it may simply be getting tripped up on > > itself when it encounters the case that David brought to our > > attention. > > > > - Peter > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George > > Bell > > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 12:15 PM > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Strange file containing brackets > > > > Hi David and Peter, > > > > This appears to be one of those nasty, nasty Wordisms that > > has driven us bonkers for ages. > > > > If you look very closely at the Bold version of the file, > > you will see that ONLY the letter is italicised. > > > > > > > > Now highlight (A) and click on the Italic Icon. > > > > > > > > Note how the A is no longer Italicised. > > > > I could be wrong, but in removing the Italics and Bold (per > > David's non-bold file), I suspect what Word is actually > > doing, is to put an "Invert Character Attribute" code in > > (which perhaps DBT is not picking up), rather than > > "removing" the attribute itself. > > > > Then again, as the colloquialism goes, I could be "away with > > the fairies". > > > > George. > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David > > Spybey > > Sent: 09 May 2006 16:06 > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [duxhelp] Strange file containing brackets > > > > > > > > > > Peter > > > > Most of the material that I prepare starts off as a print > > file for our partially sighted pupils and it is usually in > > large print and bold. I sometimes forget unbold the whole > > document before translating it hence the bold version of the > > file I got the strange results with. As a rule I would > > expect all the bold and other unnecessary emphasis marking > > to be removed as it is not helpful to the Braille reader. > > > > In the file I sent I can see that the capital A is in > > italics but I would still not expect to get what is > > happening but rather > > > > 7.,a7 > > > > Whilst I might prefer it to have no italic sign at all I > > would not expect DBT to understand my preference if I am > > perverse enough to ask it to translate a file that I have > > provided with italics in it! > > > > There is clearly something peculiar about the files I sent > > but I cannot see what it is. > > > > David Spybey > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter > > Sullivan > > Sent: 08 May 2006 19:36 > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: handing of numbered lists in > > documents > > > > David, > > > > Thanks for sending the .tex files (off-list). As you > > mentioned, these > > > > aren't really necessary to my analysis, because the problem > > shows up also > > > > (or perhaps exclusively) when importing from Word. > > > > I'm now puzzled about what you want in the translation in > > this case. You > > > > mention that you would expect (A) to be: 7;,a7 > > > > Does that mean that you expect emphasis markings to be > > ignored in this case? > > > > - Peter > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > > > > Behalf Of David Spybey > > > > Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 4:34 AM > > > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: handing of numbered lists in > > documents > > > > Peter > > > > The file that caused the problem is attached. However I need > > to amend what I > > > > have said slightly. > > > > I used Word2Tex, as I usually do, to change the file into a > > .tex file that > > > > SN will read. I did not check the SN file before using DBT > > and got the > > > > result I mentioned. Looking more closely at the WORD > > original the A was > > > > italic not the closing bracket. In SN this came out as the > > opening bracket > > > > in text the A and the closing bracket in Math and hence the > > result I got in > > > > DBT. I should have spotted this fact so apologies for giving > > a false > > > > impression of the problem. > > > > I was going into SN because of all the mathematics that was > > in the WORD file > > > > in MathType and the route I follow gets that into reasonable > > braille > > > > mathematics. However, if you ignore the mathematics issues > > and just got > > > > straight into DBT from the files I have attached the The > > results of going > > > > straight into DBT > > > > The version with (A) in bold gives > > > > 7..,a.'.17.' > > > > And the version witgh (A) in non bold gives > > > > .7.,a.17.' > > > > Whereas I would expect (A) to be > > > > 7;,a7 > > > > as happens in other files. So there must be something rather > > peculiar about > > > > the two WORD files that I have attached. I have looked at > > them but cannot > > > > see what would cause such peculiar results. > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > > > > Behalf Of Peter Sullivan > > > > Sent: 04 May 2006 16:56 > > > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: handing of numbered lists in > > documents > > > > David, > > > > Do you have a sample file in the format from which you > > started (e.g. Word, > > > > Scientific Notebook, text, or HTML)? > > > > - Peter > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > > > > Behalf Of David Spybey > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 3:02 AM > > > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: handing of numbered lists in > > documents > > > > Peter > > > > It is strange how mistakes show up errors! > > > > I have just had > > > > (A) > > > > translated as > > > > 7,a> > > > > rather than 7,a7 > > > > I could not understand why until I realised that the closing > > bracket was in > > > > italics by mistake. However I am not sure why DBT translated > > this as it did. > > > > David Spybey > > > > * * * > > > > * This message is via list duxhelp at freelists.org. > > > > * To unsubscribe, send a blank message with > > > > * unsubscribe > > > > * as the subject to <duxhelp-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>. You may > > also > > > > * subscribe, unsubscribe, and set vacation mode and other > > subscription > > > > * options by visiting //www.freelists.org. The list > > archive > > > > * is also located there. > > > > * Duxbury Systems' web site is http://www.duxburysystems.com > > > > * * * > > > > > > * * * > > > > * This message is via list duxhelp at freelists.org. > > > > * To unsubscribe, send a blank message with > > > > * unsubscribe > > > > * as the subject to <duxhelp-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>. You may > > also > > > > * subscribe, unsubscribe, and set vacation mode and other > > subscription > > > > * options by visiting //www.freelists.org. 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