George, Such a module does provide the obvious answer. In fact, we had such a thing a long while ago, for use principally with French braille. The truth is that its simply not possible to offer a program that always gets everything right automatically. We tend to err on the side of doing little that is automated, allowing users to control the braille quite directly where possible, and leaving them a lot of "do" for the translator but relatively little to "undo". - Peter -----Original Message----- From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 4:08 PM To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxhelp] Re: UK Rules & Numbers Peter, I fear that one of these days, we are just going to have to face the fact that users will have to be faced with a parser module, rather like a spelling and grammar checker. They are going to hate it! "This looks a series of telephone numbers. Do you want to strip them out according to BANA's or BAUK's rule bla bla?" "This looks like an e-mail address. Do you wish it to be in Grade 1, or Computer Braille? Oh, and BAUK rules say your choice must apply to the whole document." "Oops, in your previous answer, you asked for Grade 1, but some of your e-mail and web addresses include invalid characters for Grade 1 braille such as underscores. Shall we start again?" "Oh yes, and while we are at it, your [sk30] code appears to be invalid for the length of paper you say you have". And these committees say that computers should bend to braille rules? George. -----Original Message----- From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan Sent: 31 May 2006 18:32 To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxhelp] Re: UK Rules & Numbers George, I put the question about UK rules for spaces "within" numbers to Joe, and received this response from him: -------------- I've put consideration of this on my TBD list for the British tables. As you might guess, it's dangerous to throw out spaces using an automatic process that doesn't really understand the semantics of the text. We might yet need another kind of "space" for these things ... -------------- So I don't know whether we'll see this fixed for DBT 10.6. Certainly we're more likely to get things right with regard to rule 6.1.6 than with rule 6.1.7. The latter seems to be applicable only under circumstances that may be difficult to detect reliably. - Peter -----Original Message----- From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George Bell Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 9:52 AM To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxhelp] UK Rules & Numbers Peter, "British Braille" Rule 6 - Numbers. Rules 6.1.6 basically says that while telephone numbers may be spaced in print, the space should be removed in braille and thus for example 01604 792777 is written "#jafjd#gibggg". This is further complicated by Rule 6.1.7 where the space should also removed in "groups" of letters and numbers, for example "HAM 1597". It appears that 10.5 SR1 resolved the first above, but it broke in SR2 and is the same in Beta 8. George * * * * This message is via list duxhelp at freelists.org. * To unsubscribe, send a blank message with * unsubscribe * as the subject to <duxhelp-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>. You may also * subscribe, unsubscribe, and set vacation mode and other subscription * options by visiting //www.freelists.org. The list archive * is also located there. * Duxbury Systems' web site is http://www.duxburysystems.com * * * * * * * This message is via list duxhelp at freelists.org. * To unsubscribe, send a blank message with * unsubscribe * as the subject to <duxhelp-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>. You may also * subscribe, unsubscribe, and set vacation mode and other subscription * options by visiting //www.freelists.org. The list archive * is also located there. * Duxbury Systems' web site is http://www.duxburysystems.com * * * * * * * This message is via list duxhelp at freelists.org. * To unsubscribe, send a blank message with * unsubscribe * as the subject to <duxhelp-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>. You may also * subscribe, unsubscribe, and set vacation mode and other subscription * options by visiting //www.freelists.org. The list archive * is also located there. * Duxbury Systems' web site is http://www.duxburysystems.com * * *