[duxhelp] Re: Request for input on DBT installation

  • From: "Jack Maartman" <jmaartman@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:00:43 -0700

Hi All:

DBT defaults to North American by default. The display under the
international dialogue is only a display. No matter what, everything still
has to emboss using the North American table. When you use the country
specific tables, they still refer to the North American ascii/unicode
equivalents. The problem here is that the actual braille characters' ascii
values change, using North American as the default. The fault lies with
embosser manufacturers, who should design their tables in such a way that
the braille patterns are reassigned to conform to the country for which the
table is needed.  There is simply nothing Joe can do about this.

I can't load DBT right now, but I am sure there is an uncontracted Italian
braille table.  Enabling technologies should have the Italian configuration
you need. If not, Brltty, the Linux engine that drives a braille display
should have one. As I write this, I have found one, which I attached. a
table for Window-eyes but it is a text file, even though the extension is
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Hope this helps



Hope this helps

From: "David Holladay" <david@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 1:00 PM
Subject: [duxhelp] Request for input on DBT installation

> Hello, Testers;
> I need you opinion on an issue regarding what happens when DBT boots up
> the first time.
> This involves the Global, Internationalization, Braille Code for Display
> Some background is necessary here.
> In DBT, if you are looking at a braille file in braille dot font, you see
> the actual dot pattern that will hopefully be embossed. If you are looking
> at a braille file with an inkprint font, things get more interesting.
> In North America, we are used to seeing a full cell represented with an
> equal sign. Why? Because that is the way we do it, and all braille devices
> set for North American braille know that an equal sign means a full cell.
> If you are using a braille display device with a screen review program,
> screen review program looks at the equal sign on the screen and puts a
> cell on the braille display.
> But in France, they prefer an accented e as the print representation of a
> full cell.
> DBT has several different tables. If you want to, you can experiment with
> them by selecting Global, Internationalization, Braille Code for Display.
> Be sure to have a braille file, and select an inkprint font to view it
> (otherwise, nothing changes).
> -----------------------------------------
> Where things get interesting is that the French do not like the system as
> it is. Up till now, when you first boot up
> DBT, it defaults to North American. This does not bother Americans at all.
> But it is annoying to those who give tech support in France who have to
> keep telling people to go to Global, Internationalization, Braille Code
> Display, and then choose "French"
> To deal with this, Pete has put in some code that says "If this is the
> first time this code is being used, and you are in France", set for French
> Braille Code for display.
> That is all well and good. But if someone were using a computer 100 meters
> into Belgium, (and had told Windows that their nation was Belgium), then
> DBT would still default to North American because the nation is not
> ----------------------------------------
> I think it would be a good idea to extend Peter's idea. I offer a
> If we can come to some agreement, then DBT can wake up more
> internationalized than before.
> ----------------------------------------
> Step 1:
> If located in France, use French display code
> If located in Germany, use German display code
> If located in Spain, use Spanish display code
> If located in the UK, use the British display code
> Step 2:
> If located in Europe (i.e. the nation's telephone country code starts with
> 3 or 4)
>   and the language of interface is French, the use French display code
>   and the language of interface is German, use the German display code
>   and the language of interface is Spanish, use the Spanish display code
> ?? if the language of interface is English, do we use North American or
> Britich display code
> (the question is, does nayone outside of the UK ever use the British
> display code)
> Step 3:
> If located outside of Europe ...
> (I have no idea of anything but to default to North American)
> (I do not know if those in South America use North American settings or
> Spanish settings on their braille devices)
> Some of you may have noticed that DBT does not have any Italian tables for
> braille display. At this point, I do not
> have a valid table (defined as a unique, single ASCII character for every
> 64 braille symbols; no braille symbols left out).
> I would welcome a valid Italian table.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Please respond to this. I would like to work this out quickly.
> -- David Holladay
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