Great. I'm still trying to figure out what html, xhtml, and xml codes don't seem to be supported. I still find it easier to convert to text, from the mark-up before importing into DBT. I've seen words run together, possibly between <br> (eol) Obviously the fixes might not make it into 10.5, but I'm sure we'd like DBT to support imports from its "cousins." cheers Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:33 PM Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents > Jack, > > We'll be working on PDF files quite hard soon and have in fact already been > in touch with Adobe about the same. However, this too was more than we > could finish for 10.5. > > - Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of Jack Maartman > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 3:31 PM > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents > > This is great. I wanted to be able to review the W.I.P. help documentation, > and make kind constructive but not deprecating critiques. But this is a good > way to learn to navigate the help system. Export to XML is indeed exciting. > I'd love to see a code chart equating DbT codes with xhtml codes where > applicable. the SGML spec is not on line, but the Text Encoding initiaive > guidelines are pretty good. > > Then there is the issue with PDF files,which DBT couldn't possibly address, > although i have a good contact in Adobe's accessibility suite. > > Jack > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:21 PM > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents > > > > Hi Jack, > > > > Trust me. Hard copy documentation of one kind or another is extremely > > high on my own priority list. However, I do have to write Help based on > > the final code. And at the present moment, some areas are a rather > > moveable feast, and so the actual completion Help is, as always in any > > software development project, the last task to be done. > > > > And to explain a little further for everyone's benefit. > > > > The Help files as they stand, are in fact a compilation of over 600 > > individual HTML files, which are called "Topics". When you select > > "Emboss" from within Help, it is in fact invoking DBT's HTML importer, > > and outputting via your selected default Template and Embosser. > > > > The software we use to create the Help files is very specialist. One of > > its capabilities is to produce printed documentation as Word files, > > which in turn are a good basis for producing a printed manual. Word > > 2003 of course now provides a facility to save these files in XML, and > > for those who are into XML (and may groan at Word's version) this is a > > major step forward. > > > > The bottom line is that it will technically now be possible to produce > > documentation is various formats, though I have to say that given the > > current targets, this may not be completed on release. > > > > But we will do our very, very best. > > > > George. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > On Behalf Of Jack Maartman > > Sent: 01 June 2004 20:03 > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents > > > > And fine help files they are. I think it would be good for the on-line > > help to be put in a series of .dxp files to compliment the .chm files. > > Don thinks Windows perhaps even 98 ships with a utility to convert .chm > > to html files, which could then be saved as text. In my experience, > > having both downloadable and on-line help do rather compliment each > > other. The problem with the on-line help, and no reflection on George, > > is acidentally exitting the help program and trying to find my place > > again. I'm thinking this shouldn't be difficult as the end result has to > > be compiled into .chm files. > > > > Thanks > > Jack > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 11:33 AM > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents > > > > > > > Jack, > > > > > > George has been writing the help. He's done a fabulous job. At the > > same > > > time, this means that things are unlikely to be documented until > > George > > > understands them (and he does understand this now) and is satisfied > > that > > he > > > won't push for further change (the jury is still out in that regard). > > > > > > Once George is happy with his understanding and our implementation > > then > > > things like this are sure to be documented. > > > > > > - Peter > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > On > > > Behalf Of Jack Maartman > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 1:58 PM > > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents > > > > > > Can we documentthis, in help. It may seem strange, but it makes a kind > > of > > > sense after you repeat the exercise. My guess is that unless DBT is > > > networked, most of us probably wouldn't have more than two anyway. > > Are > > > printers mutually exclusive, and can you make DBT think a embosser is > > a > > > printer, or vise vers, based on port settings. > > > > > > Jack > > > > > > a > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx> > > > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:50 AM > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents > > > > > > > > > > Jack, > > > > > > > > If you delete all embossers, but don't create a new one, you cannot > > get > > > out > > > > of the remaining dialog using OK -- you must use Cancel. When you > > use > > > > Cancel, DBT won't save any changes, including the removal, addition, > > or > > > > modification of any embosser configurations. > > > > > > > > George, Ian, and I have been dicussing this issue for some time now. > > > George > > > > maintains that the way it works will be confusing to people. Your > > report > > > > seems to bear out his point of view. But there are problems that > > will > > > arise > > > > however we might modify this behavior, so I've been disinclined to > > make > > a > > > > change. > > > > > > > > - Peter > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > On > > > > Behalf Of Jack Maartman > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:33 PM > > > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents > > > > > > > > I don't know, as it is the only system I have. I'll have to > > re-install > > > > everything, and then try again, or some upt the courage to delete > > the > > > > entries via regedit. I am reluctant to do this, as if the system > > doesn't > > > > boot, I don't have a monitor, let alone requisite help--well who > > needs a > > > > monitor anyway!! Perhaps this is not even a win98 issue. You can > > delete > > > all > > > > embossers, but when you re-initialize DBT they're all still there. > > > > > > > > Jack > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx> > > > > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:21 AM > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jack, > > > > > > > > > > I've been hearing about some trouble removing embossers; I perhaps > > > hadn't > > > > > picked up the detail that this is with Windows 98 specifically. > > > > > > > > > > - Peter > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > > On > > > > > Behalf Of Jack Maartman > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:22 PM > > > > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents > > > > > > > > > > Will do. > > > > > > > > > > Did I mention it seems impossible to delete embossers under win98. > > I > > > don't > > > > > know what implications this has, as I haven't one. > > > > > > > > > > Jack > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:41 AM > > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jack, > > > > > > > > > > > > Open a file in Word. For safety, do a File: Save As and save it > > as > > > > > > something else. Having done that, go to Tools, Options, select > > the > > > > > > Security Tab where you can give it a memorable password. Close > > the > > > > > > file, and re-open it again, to prove to yourself that it does > > actually > > > > > > require a password. > > > > > > > > > > > > You should now be able to try whatever you want with the file. > > > > > > > > > > > > George. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > > > > On Behalf Of Jack Maartman > > > > > > Sent: 01 June 2004 05:52 > > > > > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm going to have to bone up on Ms-Word and Swift before I can > > do > > this > > > > > > adequately. With regard to the help files, is there anything in > > > > > > particular, you want me to look for? > > > > > > > > > > > > Jack > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 8:08 AM > > > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ian, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is getting quite intriguing. Any other Beta testers > > tried > > this > > > > > > > yet? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I try to open a password protected Word 2003 document in > > any of > > > my > > > > > > > three flavours of DBT, I get a 714 error. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, if I open the document in Word, and then use the > > current > > > > > > > version of SWIFT (The one which maintains multiple .mws files) > > it > > > > > > comes > > > > > > > into DBT OK, which is, to a large extent, what I would expect, > > or > > at > > > > > > > least hope for. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why YOU have the problem is a mystery. (And bear in mind I > > have > > the > > > > > > > advantage of an XP Home and Pro system, side by side here.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I guess we might also have to look at (but after 10.5 > > please!) > > > is > > > > > > > The Information Rights Management Service. That should give > > > > > > programmers > > > > > > > a mild migraine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Ian Robinson > > > > > > > Sent: 31 May 2004 14:59 > > > > > > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi George, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I only get "Error 714" if the document is sent to DBT via > > SWIFT. > > > When > > > > > > > using DBTs File Open dialogue, the application hangs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW: "Error 714" is a DBT message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 1:18 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ian, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just tried it here with XP Professional and Home, and > > > Office > > > > > > > > 2003. I've also used DBT 10.4, current Beta, and the > > untested > > > > > > > autobuild > > > > > > > > of 28th May, and in all cases I get the same result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After displaying DBT's normal import dialog, where it > > correctly > > > > > > > > identifies File Type, I get "Error Message 714" pop up, but > > DBT > > > > > > > doesn't > > > > > > > > hang or such like. Nothing appears in the error logs. > > Trawled > > > > > > the > > > > > > > MS > > > > > > > > KB to no avail, and even googled with no success, so I hope > > it's > > a > > > > > > DBT > > > > > > > > error message, which can be rephrased to be something more > > > > > > meaningful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not surprised you didn't find the word "password" in > > Help. > > > Not > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > has the indexing not been completed yet, but the word > > doesn't > > > exist > > > > > > > > anywhere in the text. Got any ideas for a topic that should > > > include > > > > > > > > "password"? (Smile) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of Ian Robinson > > > > > > > > Sent: 31 May 2004 11:47 > > > > > > > > To: List DBTBeta > > > > > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Password Protected Documents > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This isn't strictly a beta issue as I can replicate it with > > 10.4. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trying to open a password protected Word document causes DBT > > to > > > > > > hang. > > > > > > > > The title bar is visible to JAWS, but the application is not > > > > > > > responding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Trying to close DBT caused Windows XP to display the "This > > program > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > not responding" dialogue. 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