[duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
- From: "Jack Maartman" <jmaartman@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:30:32 -0700
This is great. I wanted to be able to review the W.I.P. help documentation,
and make kind constructive but not deprecating critiques. But this is a good
way to learn to navigate the help system. Export to XML is indeed exciting.
I'd love to see a code chart equating DbT codes with xhtml codes where
applicable. the SGML spec is not on line, but the Text Encoding initiaive
guidelines are pretty good.
Then there is the issue with PDF files,which DBT couldn't possibly address,
although i have a good contact in Adobe's accessibility suite.
Jack
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:21 PM
Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> Hi Jack,
>
> Trust me. Hard copy documentation of one kind or another is extremely
> high on my own priority list. However, I do have to write Help based on
> the final code. And at the present moment, some areas are a rather
> moveable feast, and so the actual completion Help is, as always in any
> software development project, the last task to be done.
>
> And to explain a little further for everyone's benefit.
>
> The Help files as they stand, are in fact a compilation of over 600
> individual HTML files, which are called "Topics". When you select
> "Emboss" from within Help, it is in fact invoking DBT's HTML importer,
> and outputting via your selected default Template and Embosser.
>
> The software we use to create the Help files is very specialist. One of
> its capabilities is to produce printed documentation as Word files,
> which in turn are a good basis for producing a printed manual. Word
> 2003 of course now provides a facility to save these files in XML, and
> for those who are into XML (and may groan at Word's version) this is a
> major step forward.
>
> The bottom line is that it will technically now be possible to produce
> documentation is various formats, though I have to say that given the
> current targets, this may not be completed on release.
>
> But we will do our very, very best.
>
> George.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Jack Maartman
> Sent: 01 June 2004 20:03
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
>
> And fine help files they are. I think it would be good for the on-line
> help to be put in a series of .dxp files to compliment the .chm files.
> Don thinks Windows perhaps even 98 ships with a utility to convert .chm
> to html files, which could then be saved as text. In my experience,
> having both downloadable and on-line help do rather compliment each
> other. The problem with the on-line help, and no reflection on George,
> is acidentally exitting the help program and trying to find my place
> again. I'm thinking this shouldn't be difficult as the end result has to
> be compiled into .chm files.
>
> Thanks
> Jack
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 11:33 AM
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
>
>
> > Jack,
> >
> > George has been writing the help. He's done a fabulous job. At the
> same
> > time, this means that things are unlikely to be documented until
> George
> > understands them (and he does understand this now) and is satisfied
> that
> he
> > won't push for further change (the jury is still out in that regard).
> >
> > Once George is happy with his understanding and our implementation
> then
> > things like this are sure to be documented.
> >
> > - Peter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
> > Behalf Of Jack Maartman
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 1:58 PM
> > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> >
> > Can we documentthis, in help. It may seem strange, but it makes a kind
> of
> > sense after you repeat the exercise. My guess is that unless DBT is
> > networked, most of us probably wouldn't have more than two anyway.
> Are
> > printers mutually exclusive, and can you make DBT think a embosser is
> a
> > printer, or vise vers, based on port settings.
> >
> > Jack
> >
> > a
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:50 AM
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> >
> >
> > > Jack,
> > >
> > > If you delete all embossers, but don't create a new one, you cannot
> get
> > out
> > > of the remaining dialog using OK -- you must use Cancel. When you
> use
> > > Cancel, DBT won't save any changes, including the removal, addition,
> or
> > > modification of any embosser configurations.
> > >
> > > George, Ian, and I have been dicussing this issue for some time now.
> > George
> > > maintains that the way it works will be confusing to people. Your
> report
> > > seems to bear out his point of view. But there are problems that
> will
> > arise
> > > however we might modify this behavior, so I've been disinclined to
> make
> a
> > > change.
> > >
> > > - Peter
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On
> > > Behalf Of Jack Maartman
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:33 PM
> > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > >
> > > I don't know, as it is the only system I have. I'll have to
> re-install
> > > everything, and then try again, or some upt the courage to delete
> the
> > > entries via regedit. I am reluctant to do this, as if the system
> doesn't
> > > boot, I don't have a monitor, let alone requisite help--well who
> needs a
> > > monitor anyway!! Perhaps this is not even a win98 issue. You can
> delete
> > all
> > > embossers, but when you re-initialize DBT they're all still there.
> > >
> > > Jack
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Peter Sullivan" <peter@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:21 AM
> > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > >
> > >
> > > > Jack,
> > > >
> > > > I've been hearing about some trouble removing embossers; I perhaps
> > hadn't
> > > > picked up the detail that this is with Windows 98 specifically.
> > > >
> > > > - Peter
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > On
> > > > Behalf Of Jack Maartman
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:22 PM
> > > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > > >
> > > > Will do.
> > > >
> > > > Did I mention it seems impossible to delete embossers under win98.
> I
> > don't
> > > > know what implications this has, as I haven't one.
> > > >
> > > > Jack
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:41 AM
> > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Jack,
> > > > >
> > > > > Open a file in Word. For safety, do a File: Save As and save it
> as
> > > > > something else. Having done that, go to Tools, Options, select
> the
> > > > > Security Tab where you can give it a memorable password. Close
> the
> > > > > file, and re-open it again, to prove to yourself that it does
> actually
> > > > > require a password.
> > > > >
> > > > > You should now be able to try whatever you want with the file.
> > > > >
> > > > > George.
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > On Behalf Of Jack Maartman
> > > > > Sent: 01 June 2004 05:52
> > > > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm going to have to bone up on Ms-Word and Swift before I can
> do
> this
> > > > > adequately. With regard to the help files, is there anything in
> > > > > particular, you want me to look for?
> > > > >
> > > > > Jack
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 8:08 AM
> > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Ian,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is getting quite intriguing. Any other Beta testers
> tried
> this
> > > > > > yet?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If I try to open a password protected Word 2003 document in
> any of
> > my
> > > > > > three flavours of DBT, I get a 714 error.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > However, if I open the document in Word, and then use the
> current
> > > > > > version of SWIFT (The one which maintains multiple .mws files)
> it
> > > > > comes
> > > > > > into DBT OK, which is, to a large extent, what I would expect,
> or
> at
> > > > > > least hope for.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why YOU have the problem is a mystery. (And bear in mind I
> have
> the
> > > > > > advantage of an XP Home and Pro system, side by side here.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What I guess we might also have to look at (but after 10.5
> please!)
> > is
> > > > > > The Information Rights Management Service. That should give
> > > > > programmers
> > > > > > a mild migraine.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > All the best,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > George.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > > On Behalf Of Ian Robinson
> > > > > > Sent: 31 May 2004 14:59
> > > > > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi George,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I only get "Error 714" if the document is sent to DBT via
> SWIFT.
> > When
> > > > > > using DBTs File Open dialogue, the application hangs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BTW: "Error 714" is a DBT message.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ian
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > To: <duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 1:18 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Password Protected Documents
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Ian,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have just tried it here with XP Professional and Home, and
> > Office
> > > > > > > 2003. I've also used DBT 10.4, current Beta, and the
> untested
> > > > > > autobuild
> > > > > > > of 28th May, and in all cases I get the same result.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > After displaying DBT's normal import dialog, where it
> correctly
> > > > > > > identifies File Type, I get "Error Message 714" pop up, but
> DBT
> > > > > > doesn't
> > > > > > > hang or such like. Nothing appears in the error logs.
> Trawled
> > > > > the
> > > > > > MS
> > > > > > > KB to no avail, and even googled with no success, so I hope
> it's
> a
> > > > > DBT
> > > > > > > error message, which can be rephrased to be something more
> > > > > meaningful.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm not surprised you didn't find the word "password" in
> Help.
> > Not
> > > > > > only
> > > > > > > has the indexing not been completed yet, but the word
> doesn't
> > exist
> > > > > > > anywhere in the text. Got any ideas for a topic that should
> > include
> > > > > > > "password"? (Smile)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > George.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > > > > > On Behalf Of Ian Robinson
> > > > > > > Sent: 31 May 2004 11:47
> > > > > > > To: List DBTBeta
> > > > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Password Protected Documents
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This isn't strictly a beta issue as I can replicate it with
> 10.4.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Trying to open a password protected Word document causes DBT
> to
> > > > > hang.
> > > > > > > The title bar is visible to JAWS, but the application is not
> > > > > > responding.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Trying to close DBT caused Windows XP to display the "This
> program
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > not responding" dialogue. Selecting "End now", caused a lot
> of
> > hard
> > > > > > > disc activity and a slow down of the whole system, but a DBT
> > window
> > > > > > > still remained.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In the end, I had to reboot the system.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also, I searched DBT's Help for "password", and got no
> results.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ian
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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