[duxhelp] Re: Embosser Graphics testing
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- Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 10:21:40 -0400
So essentially a method of retrieving/making graphics that DBT
understands and a ruler? If so, then we would be very willing to test
this!
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan
> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:15 AM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser Graphics testing
>
> Michael,
>
> The main thing is to make sure that you're getting something
> like WYSIWYG results with different test cases. We don't
> have a comprehensive set of test cases. And, given the
> different nature of graphics possibilities on different
> embosser families, I'm not sure that we even could have a
> comprehensive set for multiple families. But I can give you
> some idea of what tends to go wrong.
>
> We often misunderstand the ratio of graphics spacing to text
> spacing. This should be harder to do on a Tiger than on
> other families, because everything is done as graphics. But
> DBT isn't built to match this, so we wind up having to
> determine and rely on ratios anyhow.
>
> When we get the ratio wrong, then graphics will be
> represented badly on the DBT screen or page breaks will be
> incorrect. We can wind up leaving blank space down at the
> bottom of a page if we think an image is larger than it turns
> out to be on the device. We can wind up overruning the page
> if we think that an image is smaller than it turns out to be.
> In the case of a Tiger embosser, this would result in the
> image being clipped at the bottom or right edge of the page.
>
> DBT's graphics centering feature won't work if we've
> miscomputed things either.
>
> - Peter
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:52 AM
> To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser Graphics testing
>
> What would be required to test this functionality? As this is
> a very important function, we would be willing to test this
> as much as possible.
> While I understand that this will, most likely, not make it
> into this release we would be willing to test anything you
> have for the next release.
>
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> | Michael Surato |
> | Resource Center for Persons |
> | with Disabilities |
> | Michigan State University |
> | 120 Bessey Hall |
> | East Lansing, MI 48824 |
> | Voice: (517) 353-9643 Fax: (517) 432-3191 |
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>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:39 AM
> > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser Graphics testing
> >
> > David,
> >
> > Thanks for the feedback. We need to hear these things sometimes.
> >
> > I don't think that we're going to be able to do this for DBT 10.6.
> > But I do plan to put DBT into something nearly like a "continuous"
> > beta once DBT 10.6 is shipping. That is, the plan is to add more
> > modest improvements and release more frequently than what has been
> > done for this round. Among the improvements, we could presumably
> > offer better support for Tiger embossers.
> >
> > I just hesitate to do it now, because improved support, while
> > reasonably simple to code, will require either an intense testing
> > effort or a longer time than we now have, if the testing is to done
> > without a bullwhip.
> >
> > - Peter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Spybey
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:36 AM
> > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser Graphics testing
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > As a Mathematics teacher I use Duxbury frequently. We do
> have a Tiger
> > but my use of it is limited and I have not found it as easy
> to use. In
> > particular I have found it difficult to create of a multiple paged
> > document with diagrams in it. I would expect to find this
> task easier
> > if the Tiger was directly supported within DBT. So I, for
> one, would
> > be very pleased to see graphics supported within DBT.
> >
> > David Spybey
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of Peter Sullivan
> > Sent: 03 May 2006 13:40
> > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser Graphics testing
> >
> > Michael,
> >
> > Tigers, and the drivers that come with them, are very good at
> > producing graphics.
> >
> > But DBT doesn't directly support that.
> >
> > The problem for us has simply been lack of consumer demand.
> > There's nothing about the Tiger that would prevent us supporting
> > graphics within DBT, but we haven't heard much call for it.
> >
> > - Peter
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On
> > Behalf Of Michael Surato
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 8:35 AM
> > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser Graphics testing
> >
> > Are you saying that the Tiger driver will not support graphics, or
> > that the implementation of graphics is incompatible with the driver
> > for the Tiger?
> > The main reason we purchased a Tiger embosser was to
> produce graphics.
> > If we
> > cannot produce graphics inline with text this will severely
> limit its
> > usefulness.
> >
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> > | Resource Center for Persons |
> > | with Disabilities |
> > | Michigan State University |
> > | 120 Bessey Hall |
> > | East Lansing, MI 48824 |
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> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Holladay
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:10 PM
> > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Embosser Graphics testing
> > >
> > > The driver for the Tiger does not support graphics.
> > > This is something we knew.
> > >
> > > We need to make a way for the user to know.
> > >
> > > We need a way to gracefully end the embossing job without error.
> > >
> > > Good catch.
> > >
> > > -- David Holladay
> > >
> > > At 04:01 PM 5/2/2006, you wrote:
> > > >Recently we attempted this graphic on a Tiger Pro embosser
> > > and received
> > > >gibberish from the embosser. This worked fine with our
> > > Juliet Classic
> > > >embossers.
> > > >
> > > >We have also found a location where an assert fails.
> > > >Steps to reproduce:
> > > >1. set up the paper size to a larger size then what is
> > setup in the
> > > >driver.
> > > >2. say OK to the dialog complaining about not finding
> tiger.ini 3.
> > > >press cancel on the dialog complaining about the driver
> paper size
> > > >
> > > >Error message:
> > > >Embossing failed due to an error at line 1545 of file
> > > dxemb_job.c: The
> > > >data area passed to a system call is too small. [122/0x0000007a]
> > > >
> > > >+-------------------------------------------+
> > > >| Michael Surato |
> > > >| Resource Center for Persons |
> > > >| with Disabilities |
> > > >| Michigan State University |
> > > >| 120 Bessey Hall |
> > > >| East Lansing, MI 48824 |
> > > >| Voice: (517) 353-9643 Fax: (517) 432-3191 |
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> > David Holladay
> > > > > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 4:10 PM
> > > > > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: [duxhelp] Embosser Graphics testing
> > > > >
> > > > > For past versions of DBT, we have occasionally been hit with
> > > > > problems with graphics.
> > > > >
> > > > > We have made so many changes to the embossing machinery,
> > > it a quite
> > > > > possible that some aspect of graphics may have a problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course, many models of embossers do not support graphics.
> > > > > But those that do, we want to properly support.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Attached is a graphics file.
> > > > >
> > > > > To import into DBT, go to the layout menu, then picture,
> > > add, then
> > > > > select this file.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is an image of Bart Simpson, star of the cartoon.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please give it a try.
> > > > >
> > > > > -- David Holladay
> > > > >
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