Lissa, It depends. If you check "Read formatted braille without interpretation" *and* have large page size set, then all should be well. Warren has basically asked us to improve the way DBT handles larger-than-expected page sizes. I'd like to do that (but still haven't answered the poor guy) so future versions could work better for this purpose. - Peter -----Original Message----- From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Melissa Hirshson Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 6:09 PM To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Brf files are not currently associated with Duxbury 10.6 Hi George, Absolutely. I guess what I'm asking here is, if people open brfs in DBT, then isn't it true that there are now errors in the file that are being embossed? L George Bell wrote: > Hi Lissa, > > I think we have to bear in mind the HUGE percentage of DBT > users who are not what we'd call "Power Users", and try and > make allowances here. > > Many just have DBT, and get .brf files send to them which > have been produced from all sorts. > > But you and I, and Power Users, know how to change this at a > stroke or two. > > George. > > -----Original Message----- > From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Melissa > Hirshson > Sent: 31 March 2006 23:49 > To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Brf files are not currently > associated with Duxbury 10.6 > > Heh. Actually it's improved quite a bit. > > But the point is, we don't need to edit .brf files, we only > need them > for embossing or reading on a notetaker. We edit in dxb, > emboss the brf. > So we have no need to ever double click a brf... we just > open it in > Embossit :) or copyx :):) and then forget about it. It's > kind of (no, > actually, exactly) like importing an ascii text document > into Microsoft > Word: no matter how good Microsoft is, there's always going > to be a > discrepancy, and therefore we can't use it this way without > reading > every single line to make sure that nothing has been moved > around. And > when we do 1000s of pages a week, that's just not possible. > > So, in other words: *shameless plug* use Embossit! :) > > Lissa > > Warren Figueiredo wrote: > >>Lissa >>When is the last time you tried importing a brf with "read > > formatted braille > >>without interpretation?" It has improved considerably (or > > it is that I > >>haven't discovered its quirks? >>Warren >>-----Original Message----- >>From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > >>Behalf Of Melissa Hirshson >>Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 4:03 PM >>To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Brf files are not currently > > associated with Duxbury > >>10.6 >> >>Throwing in my opinion here ... >> >>I do not favor associating .brf files with DBT, because, > > even if I were not > >>an Embossit user, :) I would never open a .brf in DBT, > > because DBT does not > >>import them perfectly, and therefore it is useless to us. > > I can see how > >>someone might want it to edit short files, once or twice a > > day, but we never > >>make any edits in a .brf file in DBT here at NBP. We > > always open dxb files, > >>and then save them as brf. In fact, we're working with > > Duxbury to include > >>Embossit on some of our CDs specifically because of this > > problem. Thanks. > >>Lissa >> >>Peter Sullivan wrote: >> >> >>>Joanie, >>> >>>It's always OK to ask "how substantial" as long as you're > > willing to > >>>accept a (virtual) blank stare, when that is all I can > > give. > >>>In this case, I can give an estimate: one day of coding. > > That > >>>translates >>>(potentially) to three days of elapsed time, because only > > about 1/3 of > >>>my time is spent coding, and I'm the only one here who has > > the MSI > >>>programming experience to do this task without a lot of > > exploring. It > >>>is, I suppose, telling of how tight our deadlines can be > > that I call > >>>four hours of work "substantial". >>> >>>The file association upgrade may also have to be scheduled > > along with > >>>a potentially related task, which I have committed to do: > > to adapt the > >>>Shell integration (right-click menu on .dxp and .dxb > > files) to run in > >>>other languages. >>> >>>The real kicker is that it would have to be done early > > enough in the > >>>release cycle to give the localizers who have adapted the > > installer > >>>into other languages a chance to localize the new UI. >>> >>>All of which makes me ask whether it's really worth it. > > You can set > >>>the association yourself. I figure you probably know that > > -- and know > >>>how. So perhaps you're exploring the issue on behalf of > > people who > >>>don't know about Explorer's "Open With..." command and > > find it tough > >>>to explore new computer-related territories. >>> >>>- Peter >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > > Joanmarie Diggs > >>>Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 4:09 PM >>>To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Brf files are not currently > > associated with > >>>Duxbury >>>10.6 >>> >>>What was nifty about the association is that it made life > > easier for a > >>>couple of classes of Web Braille Users who also use > > Duxbury: TVIs and > >>>consumers. While there are TVIs and consumers out there > > with > >>>excellent tech skills, my experience is that they do not > > form the > >>>majority. Before the file association, many would get > > confused each > >>>time they followed a link and got a page full of ASCII > > braille. Some > >>>would save the resulting page and wind up with HTML at the > > top. Sure, > >>>you could train them to bring up a context menu on the > > link or make > >>>the file association themselves (which not all of them > > understood). > >>>Then 10.5 came out and everyone seemed so happy that > > following a Web > >>>Braille link gave you a Duxbury (associated) file which > > you could save. > >>>So if you don't mind my asking, how substantial? >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter > > Sullivan > >>>Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 3:23 PM >>>To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>Subject: [duxhelp] Re: Brf files are not currently > > associated with > >>>Duxbury >>>10.6 >>> >>>Joanie, >>> >>>This is true, and deliberate. I simply forgot to mention > > it in the > >>>beta notes. >>> >>>We now have a tool called Embossit -- also, if only > > informally, in > >>>beta. We prefer to leave it to have the extension. >>> >>>Earlier versions of DBT had a setup program that would > > prompt the user > >>>when there appeared to be a conflict, so the user could > > choose whether > >>>to have DBT take over .brf file association. While still > > possible, > >>>this is substantially more difficult with an MSI > > installer. > >>>- Peter >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>[mailto:duxhelp-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > > Joanmarie Diggs > >>>Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 3:15 PM >>>To: duxhelp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>Subject: [duxhelp] Brf files are not currently associated > > with Duxbury > >>>10.6 >>> >>>I just noticed that 10.6 is not making itself the default > > application > >>>for brf files. >>> >>>--joanie >>> >>> >>>* * * >>>* This message is via list duxhelp at freelists.org. >>>* To unsubscribe, send a blank message with >>>* unsubscribe >>>* as the subject to <duxhelp-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>. 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